Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can't think of a single sight that needed or greatly benefited from links and that includes wh

Literally the most uninformed opinion in the history of eve.

Not much that would give me all that much more isk/tic besides even if it did a small sacrifice in this area in order to add gameplay to a class that curantly has none is worth it

Not a big enough one to warrant preventing the change

His change doesn't do much it's already extremely easy to scan down even T3 boosters

I know ,its madness! MADNESS I TELL YOU!

If only there were some way to know this was going to happen!

Removing an entire meta in game, one that's supported already by several different types of ships, skills, and fleet maneuvers; in favor of replacing it with the 'buffbot' gameplay they've suggested, one that only reinforces the n+1 and blob mentality. Is the issue that needs to be addressed.

Lets not talk about losing the functionality of a ton of dedicated alt chars, adding up to years of wasted SP. Nor the fact that they made it harder to multibox, and are now expecting you to multibox your alts on grid.

Your options are to eat the wasted sp, attempt to multibox all alts on grid, or sell your alts on the bazaar. (I know some people have grown attached to their alts)



They're not, because if they were, then there wouldn't be such a call to arms to remove off grid boosts anyhow; you would be able to remove them yourself by scanning them down and scoring a kill.

Seriously, if OGBs were 'extremely easy' to scan down, then no one would have a problem handling a fleet with an OGB. -Is what I'm trying to illustrate.

The hunter/killer meta is far more entertaining than any 'buffbot' meta will ever be.

Orchestrating an undercover operation to neutralize enemy boosts so you can win a stalemate fleet fight. Versus. Everyone puts loads of boosts on grid and you can't do anything to neutralize enemy boosts, stalemate goes to downtime.

All cap fights will have boosts, thanks to the change in citadel putting boosting modules onto carriers and fauxs; alliances dug into their nullsec regions will be able to always field boosted cap fleets.

So the new changes proposed will affect sub cap fleet pvp fleets through all securities except for highsec, and a lot of the PVE activities across the verse. In pvp it will only serve to reinforce the n+1/blob tactics, and in pve it cripples a lot of existing doctrines in game for no good reasons.

I agree there are some instances where Off Grid Boosts need to be remove, I disagree with all the pilots who are too lazy to put together a H/K groups to deal with enemy boosters and whine at ccp to convince them to do the work.

What I'm asking is for CCP to make it easier for H/K groups to do their job, so their integration into fleet is more common.

A successful H/K operation means you kill their booster, force it to dock, or force it to flee... that means the end result = no off grid boosts. Which is what everyone wants anyhow.

-Ara

1st- Hunt and kill booster before you take on the main group.

2nd- What I'm suggesting will allow you to scan and catch them with 1 character and kill with a 2nd. Instead of 3, Dedicated scanner, ludicrous speed coyote, and a killer. Effectively reducing the amount of people required to hunt them by 33.3% allowing those small gangs to aggress boosters easier.

3rd- If someone is 'soloing' with a booster alt, and you want to aggress him. Then at minimum you should commit the same amount of pilots and ships that he has to win the engagement, by making boosters bloom you'll be able to scan them down easily without the need of dedicated scanning ship, clone, or even a ton of invested skills depending on how large they make the bloom. At which point you can stack the scanner on a coyote fit ship to scan and catch with that alt, and kill with your main. (or other way around)

If he's plexing another account to add benefit to his main and effectively spending 2 times the amount of money than you're spending for your solo account; then he has every right to be better than you in a head to head fight. He's literally paying extra hard earn cash or isk for that upper hand.

If you want to even the field, then it's time for you to invest in an alt; not ask CCP to 'fix' ogbs for you.

OGBs alts aren't free and It's costing that guy game time to keep it online.

-Ara

Anyway let's say this would be a better gameplay alternative do you have any idea how big the sig bloom would need to be what about those of us who currently do use links on grid? Suddenly my stork is taking full damage from dreads

No, I didn't try to make an argument in favor of pay to win.

Yes, I did make an argument in favor of the power of 2.

aannndd... it's actually kind of difficult to multi-box 2 pilots on grid effectively. So, If I'm paying double a month to play the game, then that should come with the added benefits not the hassle of actively trying to control 2 clients at once. It's an alt account, not a duplicate me.

You do bring up some great points however and along with listing a few numbers here I also built this table for you to manipulate yourself. You can manipulate a lot of the variables* in the lower right table to affect proposed booster bloom change table (Top) which you can compare against the current meta (bottom left table)


*Left Column : First Row - You can manipulate your ship signature to match any ship you might want to test // Second Row - You can change your MWD sig bloom % because different MWDs (thanks ccp! :D) // Third Row - You can add raw sig from things like LSEs.

*Middle Column : First Row - You can manipulate the Boosting Links Sig Bloom % // Second Row - Add raw sig to tweak the numbers if you want. // Third Row - Change the amount of links fitted, from 0 all the way to 7.

*Right Column : First Row - You can manipulate the Command Processors sig bloom % in the same fashion // Second Row - Raw sig just like the links // Third Row - How many links you have fit, from 0 to 4.

I know some people run 7 links as well as 6 so I included the option to take it to 7. Also Remember to tally link count and command processor count properly, otherwise you'll get some wacky numbers.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TcFBltEf_4rR4YU28TvX0xV9Ux1G4O4Po-5HOssuNdY/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=620386003

With a higher % bloom and raw in the command processor fields, you can assure OGBs get the extra bloom they need for quick hunting, without affecting the on grid boosting pilots terribly.

I first suggested 25% sig bloom to the links, but now after building that table for everyone to use. It looks like 30-35% to sig bloom and 5 to raw sig radius per link, along with a hefty 60-70% bloom and 50 raw per command processer works really well.

A 6 link off grid booster with those changes starts at 12.5k signature radius, and caps at an astonishing 43k sig - almost the size of an astrahus. A 7 link fatty sits at over 100k signature radius.

While an ongrid 3 link command ship will have a Sig radius of around 600; a little more than Battleships and a little less than the total sig running a T2 MWD under the current meta (Around 840). It would make it more dangerous to fit a MWD coupled with 3 links on grid however (2k sig w/ 3 links running), making faction/ded fit MWDs and single links a better option yielding only ~950sig with a Gist MWD + 1 link; only a bit more than running only the T2 MWD currently.

And don't worry, Lugh Crow-Slave, your Stork comes in at a dainty 100 sig, running 1 link for your fleet. Clearly not enough for dreads to snatch you. xD

Yay maths! But really, all of this makes sense if you sit down and think about it.

Not only does it reinforce the Hunter/Killer meta, but it puts more Command ships on grid in the event you want to run on grid boosts because the benefit of splitting the command modules across multiple ships to not overload any one persons sig too terribly.

3 Link Command ships are decent on grid still, without running a MWD - under a small gang environment the bloom doesn't affect much, as you're not facing blap dreads.

It even fits Lore/RP wise in that command links, would broadcast a tremendous amount of information everywhere all at once to all the things, which would increase signature bloom anyway. Since sig radius is how big your ship is on sensors and if your sensor systems are on overload running 6-7 links then your bloom would be crazy large.

-Ara