Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why remove ECM?
ECM has three massive downsides: it's binary, it's chance based, and it's uncounterable by piloting. ECM being binary is bad because it is either 100% effective or it is 0% effective. With sensor damps or TDs I can still lock, shoot, etc. at reduced effectiveness. Chance based EWAR is bad because it is unpredictable. No one likes fights coming down to a dice roll. ECM being uncounterable by piloting is bad because if I am jammed there is nothing I can do to become unjammed while most other EWARs i can counter through piloting. If I am lock range sensor damped I can just get closer to my target, if I am pointed I can burn out of point range, etc.

By removing ECM we are left with a hole that needs to be filled by a new EWAR. Luck for us there are three big groups of weapon systems: turrets, missiles, and drones. TDs and MGD are all ready in game. So all we need is Drone Tracking Disruptors (DTDs) to be added to the game. They would function by being applied to the ship, and that would mess with the ship's drones, as it is impractical to field a ship with 5 DTDs to disrupt 5 drones.

Re-alignment:
Each race has core weapon systems,core traits, and an RP foe. For example: Caldari are shield tanked missile/hybrid ships that hate the Gallente. The Gallente on the other hand are armor tanked drone/hybrid ships that hate the Caldari. By playing off these core weapon systems and core traits we can make an RP based EWAR re-alignment that makes sense.

End result:
http://i.imgur.com/3UyoRmc.png

Text version:

Amarr:

1. Tracking Disruption
2. Energy Neutralizers

Caldari:

1. Drone Disruption
2. Sensor Dampening

Gallente:

1. Missile Guidance Disruption
2. Warp Disruptor/Scram Range

Minmatar:

1. Target Paining
2. Stasis Webification Range

The EWARS:
The T1 EWARS are counters to their RP foe. Gallente use drones and Caldari use missiles. Their T1 EWAR counters each other's primary weapon. Amarr have low signature radius and Minmatar use turrets. Their T1 EWAR counters each other. T2 EWARs, which are typically more powerful, are relatively balanced. Sensor Dampening is a fair, balanced, and coutnerable EWAR that can achieve similar effects as ECM without much of the frustration.

Thoughts?

Reported for redundant

Also your reasons show a vast lack in understanding ewar

First binary is not bad you may think it is but that is opinion

Second any ecm pilot worth his salt has great control over the effectiveness of his jams. ECM is the most player interactive ewar in game abs has the most gameplay tied to it

Finally with damps you only think you can still lock but when my arazu has you damped down to 3km you're not locking my fleet built to kite

Lol "the other ones aren't like this so this one shouldn't be either"

The other ewar are are also just boring to use spread and activate or focus and activate there is little to no micro with them

And I have listed ways to give ecm a stacking penalty in a way that fits with its gameplay and builds on it in the past. Give ecm mods a remote eccm effect

There are only two issues with ECM right now

1 there is no stacking penalty

2 you can permanently jam ships with lower strength

ECM is controllable by the pilot

Ecm should be chance based (but is not always)

If you are useless just because you are jammed you're not trying hard enough

RNG is all over eve look at any turret based damage

ECM is frustrating but so are most things in eve

Now I'm beginning to wonder if you're a troll did you read what you said o.O


The first bullet point you listed in your last post was

"ECM is uncontrollable by pilot:fact"

There is nothing to fix about it being chance based

I said nothing about trying hard enough to lock an enemy ship you can be useful without one

Even after the tracking formula you still have RNG and what is wrong with RNG in ewar?

Of course an opinion is showing in my argument so is yours I mean your three main points against ecm is entirely based on opinion

EDIT

Or was number 5 about things being frustrating because again yeah frustration is entirely based on the person but if we wanted to get rid of things just because a lot of ppl found them frustrating

Then ganking would go

Blobbing would go

War decs would go

Sovereignty would go

Player run economy would go

Just to name a few

Lol was reading on a phone so I suppose I interpreted a real word in place of your fake one.

But still ecm can be countered effectively in sure you have to be able to think of a few ways hell they just buffed one

Not the word I was talking about but okay it can still be effectively countered by proper piloting

Well the simplest one is to pull range but the more effective one is built into the hulls of ecm ships. They ate caldari meaning they have the highest sig and lowest scan res in the game(ecm ships having an even greater penalty to scan res). What this means is you will most likely lock first making damps a very powerful counter to ecm. Another thing built into ecm is for it to be effective you need to use it on some of the softest ships in the game and give up even more tank in order to fit them. This means so long as one person in your fleet is not jammed they are quickly run off feild

The last option I gave involved getting a fleet mate in-jammed. But why should there always be a way out of a **** up.

How do I get out of a vindi web scram with your definition of piloting or a grappler +scram

How do I counter damps against a fleet built to use them properly

There is a guaranty you will if the ecm is damped down or forced off feild

Edit or if the pilot was an idiot and warped away or flew out of range

The same way you're getting out of a vindi range