EVE General Discussion

I understand what you all are saying about market seeding and such, but a market module would be very handy for wormhole corps, just so we could buy loot from members or what not.

What about a buy-order-only version for mediums?

First of all a Medium Citadel is not replacing a POS, anyone saying that is being disingenuous, a Citadel is a Citadel simple as, there are going to be structures for production and research, there are also going to be specifc structures for moon mining and miners.

I had the hope of sticking a number of Medium's in a system in NPC 0.0 which does not have a station and using it as a base as well as setting up a market for my allies. Same goes for WH corps, who could have their own market, but no, also small indy corps would have something to steup and defend which had a limited vulnerability against war decs in terms of its vulnerability, but again no.

Citadels had the possibility of transforming hisec, they still do, what I wanted to push was getting a coalition of hisec corps and alliances together to make and use a XL citadel, but with that idea all of the smaller entities could have placed multiple Mediums around it to get their stuff. CCP come on think it through, do you want casual players to aim for something or not?

As for claiming Marmite will come and wreck it, they spend all their time in Udema and had a policy of never shooting large POS's, seriously, a lot of these Merc alliances will not attack a large POS, and a Medium Citadel would be like that, furthermore it would enable the defenders to have a force balancer. Step back now and ask yourself, why would a corp in hisec build a Medium now apart from indy, research or waving their dangly thing, they might as stick with a POS which they can pull down before the war dec until the new structures turn up.

I would have a smaller market module with a limited amount of orders and limited fuel costs, the objective is not to give a full market, but to have a corp market or small alliance market taht supplies them and their friends only, this would have been something that may have increased the size of hisec corps, ok well back to one man and npc corps then, nothing to see here., such a shame.

The thing is that it would be stocked by the people who you allowed to use it, it would also be used by people that you allowed to buy and sell. That means in my NPC 0.0 area I could have setup a discounted market for my allies and not supply my enemies with cheap modules or the opportunity to profit out of my good intentions. It is a pity, for example a certain person is trying again in Stain, he would have a better chance of doing what he wants if he could control his market in a Citadel, he could run a Medium but a Large is not possible for him.

i thought some but not all were automatically seeded with some supplies

The problem is, this is EVE, not the real world. In the real world, people would purchase your hot dogs with cash. In EVE, for every person willing to to buy the hot dog with cash, there are 1000 whos method of 'purchase' would be the business end of thier rack of 1400mm arties.

There are some very decent uses of the trade hub in a medium citadel, mainly involving the owner setting up lowtax orders for localised use. Or at least, there would've been.

Malcanis is a big alliance player who has no idea what smaller groups and solo operators want to do in their sandbox, sadly CCP does not have access to players like you and me who want that type of sandbox, they mainly talk to players like Malcanis and make errors like not even having a limited market module for a medium. So I will head over to features and ideas and give it a blast, you never know they might listen.

For him to call the Medium Citadel the same as a POS is crazy and incorrect , linking it to the inability to afford a Large because we are not big groups and unable to defend it against alliances like his reeks of entitled arrogance. Does he even accept that players who don't want to be in big entities can make their own sandbox?

Yeah, exactly. What I want to do with the citadels isn't going to be a lot. It just can't justify spending :tenbil: on it. There's a manual workaround to the issue, but that's mechanically the same as what I have to do with a POS right now. Tl;dr there's no reason to use the new structures for me. They just don't come with enough features at the right sizes.

No, actually the medium one is POS and therein lies the problem. Why use it when I can just keep using a POS instead for the same effect? It is both cheaper as a whole and cheaper to maintain.

The Large citadels are the outposts, and they run into the same issues. Can they functionally be better than the current null outposts so that you'd want the citadels instead of what you have right now?

And XL obviously lets you dock supercaps which is unparallelled.

Overall, the citadels need a bit of polishing as they are right now. But mostly they're in dire need of having contracts available on them.

7-10 bil is approximately the price of a jump freighter. Just about every tom, **** and harry has a jf (or at least the serious industry types have one). If you cant afford a jf then you really shouldnt be able to setup something that is the equivalent of an outpost.