EVE General Discussion

Freighters are "protected" in the same manner that the police protect us. That is, cops can only be relied upon to draw chalk around the body if the killer is motivated enough.

And you know that. The rest of your comment actually contradicts the "protection" you stated.

Is that an actual saying?

We might be arguing semantics now. I don't consider retroactive punishment protection. That is retaliation. If someone shoots someone in the street and the police take the criminal to jail, we don't say "thank you for protecting the guy who got shot," we say "thank you for punishing a criminal"

CONCORD has never protected anyone. They avenge you, the react to what someone does. They don't protect anyone.

I have nothing against code either, it's a very valid playstyle. Claiming concord protects freighters simply isn't true, however. (and I say that thinking a 30 man fleet should always be able to take down a solo pilot in a freighter anywhere, even HS. 30 on 1 should never favor the one player)

The 3 minute "rule" is a prime example of one of those game mechanics that people hate because you shouldn't need a college course to memorize all the goofy rules in place to counter bad game mechanics.

Some sensible way to solve this is:

* ship collision damage (before people say "but Jita 4-4" , ships undocking on top of each other is another terrible mechanic that needs to be fixed)

* detach warp start from acceleration completely, ie your ship has a it's set time to enter warp and no amount of bumping will stop that)

There is a 15 minute timer during which you can't warp anywhere. They just use alts for a suicide point.

Edit - clarification: I'm fine with suicide points by the way. I'm not fine with preventing a warp forever without point. 3 Minutes is still too long imho but I'll gratefully accept whatever CCP tosses our way.

It is simply a question of risk and reward: Lets compare risk and rewards for a Ganker Bumper, the gankers themselves and a AG member ganking the Macherial.

Bumper

Risk
- No criminal flag yet is effectively pointing someone
- Slight risk of being ganked but is fast moving, best bumping fit can be taken down by one Talos

Rewards
- Gets a slice of the loot and of course ransoms to stop bumping

AG Bumper Ganker

Risk
- Will go criminal
- Will lose a Talos
- Will lose security status and the impact that has on what may be a limited number of accounts, so incurring costs
- May lose POD

Reward
- Has no interest in the freighter so no skin in the game
- The Freighter pilot will often not even notice that he was saved in this way so no reward will be forthcoming

Ganker

Risk
- Losses are paid by Goons or paid by donations T2 fitted Catalyst, T2 Brutix or T2 Talos or T2 Bomber
- Security status impact that has no value because this toon is used solely for that on alliance funded accounts and they fly around in no value pods shuttles or noob ships apart from the gank ship

Reward
- Slice of the loot


So notice something, AG guy has no reward at all only loss on his own pocket, Ganker bumper gets loot plus ransoms and due to the AG player having such a high cost the risk is remote as there is no reward.

Case closed on Bumping...

Goonswarm Federation has never paid a cent to any ganker group. The groups fund themselves with the loot they collect. Even the official goon ganker group funds itself.

What Goonswarm does provide is web services and a recruitment pool.

You being the expert with internal experience on Goon finances and their suicide ganking institutions yes?

Whenever I bring up the fact that some cheap ships are ISK efficient even against an empty hauler, other ganksters show up whining about "it's wrong to balance around ISK efficiency".

OF COURSE THEY'RE SELF SUFFICIENT!

On the other hand, an AG Falcon can fix that. Haulers really need to get organized. Becoming criminal themselves by ganking the bumper however is not a proper solution. Some of us can't conduct business with killrights over our heads and a -5 sec status.

It was on reddit so it must be true yes?

According to reddit a major Goonswarm corp left and joined PL too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4h5c5o/amok_to_join_pl/

Apply some logical thinking here. Of all the things that Goonswarm have said and all the things Goonswarm has done in Eve.

Does it make sense that we try to hide it if we paid people to gank in high sec? As if that was somehow too far. Too mean for us to bear the bad PR of having the rest of Eve find out.

Goonswarm provides voice coms. IT services and recruits for the goonswarm gank entity (which I am part of mind you) But Goonswarm will not pay isk to support it.