EVE General Discussion

While I never supported ganking, I viewed it as a play style. Bumping indefinitely never made sense because there was nothing that could be done about it. It lasted until either the person doing the bumping got bored or friends decided to show up and gank you. So, the 3 minutes is a great place to start.

I would argue that it is still too long. I would put it at 2 minutes. If people want to gank, then they should be ready to gank. It's not the other pilots fault (freighter or any other ship) that the ganking partying wasn't ready.

However, I would also argue that there does need to be some risk there for the people being ganked. I would propose that anyone on "auto pilot" would have a % shield/armor/hull decreased. Like a reverse damage control. Anyone not AFK, has their normal ship and is sitting in front of their computer playing the game. If they go AFK and do auto pilot, then they get a % defense nerf to whatever ship they are auto piloting.

Just my thoughts.

So many assumptions in so few words.

Try to think about the effects of your proposal.

1) trade hubs would become unsafe as soon as they start to develop, so they will disappear.
2) people would not travel to sell stuff, there is no incentive to do that, so they would put what they build or wnat tosell in their current station.

You have ever tried getting all the pieces for a fit in low sec? I don't enjoy running around the map to find a module here one there.
I doubt most people will like it.

For what reason you want to wreck the game of a lot of people?
What will be the benefit?
Or the only goal is "People should play in the way Kitsune Rei want them to play"?

Not at all. I would just like to see player action have an impact. Gankers in high sec blapped freighters today. Tomorrow, they're going to blap some more freighters. And since there is obviously nothing that can be done about it due to the tactics of N+1 and an endless arms race, I thought it would be interesting to have those actions have an impact. But your complacency of buy everything in one place, sell everything in one place and adapting to changing circumstances and environments is too taxing on your delicate sensibilities you can just go on ignoring any suggestions and complaining about the game being too hard for you.

The bumping change is a much needed fix to a poor game mechanic.
The solution to more interesting ganking is to stop treating industrial ships as unfittable targets, and give them equal slots and PG/CPU to other ships of the same size. Then the target has a bunch of options they can employ and you can allow ganks more time to happen, meaning more time for strategy and outside influence to happen.

As long as ganks stay a 15 seconds and it's done, and the industrials stay unfittable targets (3 low slots does not count as fittable), we will continue to have these major issues.

I wouldn't be averse to having a high slot or two on a freighter. Like with some of the smaller industrial ships.

While it's unlikely to accomplish much, at least you could laugh maniacally while picking off drones as you go down in flames.

Mr Epeen

Spanish Galleons from the actual pirate era say you are wrong.
Get your head out of the modern era where piracy is basically non existant, look at the actual piracy eras.
Viking Longboats & Spanish Galleons were the large cargo vessels of their respective eras. And they were warships.

So yes, CCP do treat industrial ships as nothing more than targets, there are not a 'variety' of fits for them. And that is the root of the problem.

Spanish Galleons were easy targets for faster ships. Viking Longboat were more troop transport than combat vessel. So unless you''re talking about having a Badger full of trained mercenaries boarding another ship, this allegory makes no sense.

If you were not AFK, you might as well as go AFK once the bumping begins.

Freighters, orca, and bowhead, are just cat toys once the bumping begins.

Once upon a time, hauling with dreads was common.

Then came the great cargo nerf.

I really don't think that the ganking is the real problem: it's that the gankers can operate so freely.

There should be some mechanic like a cooldown INDEPENDENT from Sec Status. If you ganked x ships within 2 Month in High you get a permanent suspect flag until the Counter is below some threshold. This way the gankers can still operate but it gets dangerous because others can attack them. At the moment Concord is protecting the gankers till they hit a target. This way they would either have to stop ganking or take higher risks. You can now raise your Sec Status quickly again to gain the Concord immunity which more or less destroys all anti-gank activities.
Just raising the difficulty to gank will reduce player interaction but raising the danger for Gankers will spark more Anti-Gankers. Or you can reduce the weapon damage in very high sec areas (Trade hubs) and prolong the Concord response time so that Anti-Gankers have a chance to intervene or totally void Concord involvement when there are players fighting the gankers. It would be much more satisfying to kill the ganker then to watch Concord do the Job.