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XL citadel BPO are finally 1200B
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#1 - 2016-04-22 07:49:43 UTC
Kyra Lee
Doomheim
#2 - 2016-04-22 08:38:25 UTC
So they release a blog detailing all of the parts and quantities required to build a citadel. The market speculators and large scale industrialist buy and manipulate things. Then CCP raises the price of the BPO to match the newly inflated price. That sounds completely dumb. Why not just make all BPO value based off of the estimated value of its inputs? We could have a 100% dynamic BPO market. I'm sure that would make everyone happy.

Not to future self, don't stockpile goods in preparation of a patch...
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#3 - 2016-04-22 08:52:09 UTC
Well, the price hardly matters. It's not a personal asset anyway, as deploying it requires holding sov if I remember correctly.
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#4 - 2016-04-22 08:59:14 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Well, the price hardly matters. It's not a personal asset anyway, as deploying it requires holding sov if I remember correctly.


It doesn't require sov
Lord Ra
Sicarius.
#5 - 2016-04-22 09:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Ra
1.2t LOL is this april fools?. Thanks for the very short notice i wont be able to free up another 200b in 5 days gg shoke my citadel to hell Shocked
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#6 - 2016-04-22 09:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Aaron Honk wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Well, the price hardly matters. It's not a personal asset anyway, as deploying it requires holding sov if I remember correctly.


It doesn't require sov


I could've sworn I read that it did somewhere. If it doesn't, that's good. Now they just need to let people build supercapitals in lowsec.
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#7 - 2016-04-22 09:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron Honk
Ria Nieyli wrote:


I could've sworn I read that it did somewhere. If it doesn't, that's good. Now they just need to let people build supercapitals in lowsec.


You won't be able to manufacture stuff in a citadel, they will release another structure in Fall for industry needs
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#8 - 2016-04-22 10:45:15 UTC
Kyra Lee wrote:
So they release a blog detailing all of the parts and quantities required to build a citadel. The market speculators and large scale industrialist buy and manipulate things. Then CCP raises the price of the BPO to match the newly inflated price. That sounds completely dumb. Why not just make all BPO value based off of the estimated value of its inputs? We could have a 100% dynamic BPO market. I'm sure that would make everyone happy.

Not to future self, don't stockpile goods in preparation of a patch...



Thats not what happened. (also, Hai mom, I am in a reddit post!)

What happened is:

XL citadels were going to cost 10% of the BPO cost, so, 70b.

CCP considered, and thought this was too cheap, so they increased the materials to 20%, or 135b base (Which is closer to 300b atm).

We knew this, this was fine. However, Ytterbium said the BPO price would stay the same, so we assumed it would, until last night when Nullarbor said it was 1200B, and had been changed 5 weeks ago, but they forgot to tell us.

the change in BPO price is to bring it in line with mats being 10% of the BPO cost. (before speculation drove prices up)

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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort
#9 - 2016-04-22 15:28:14 UTC
I don't normally like to give a straight up insult (especially to a dev), but whoever thought balancing the cost of the BPO with the cost of the materials AND THEN redoing the calculation to account for market speculation should be slapped and told that was a stupid idea. In fact, taking the market data as of 1 day (heck even 1 week) to make a market/economic decision is so stupid.

IF they had said they had taken the market data over past year or two into consideration, then we could talk. However, what they have done is forever locked the BPO price to todays market. Granted all BPOs are locked in right now, but what CCP did was pull data at the worst time to get reliable and accurate data as to the health of the economy. We have one of the largest wars going on, a major patch coming up for capitals, and then the patch for citadels. there is so much market speculation going on right now, the data they pulled is not realistic for Eve.

Seriously, the economic decisions from how this was calculated to the market tax rate increase to force the market into Citadels have been so bad lately.
Taosst
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-04-22 15:40:19 UTC
It wasn't the inflated cost of materials that they adjusted to, but the increase in build materials that resulted in a higher build cost. Since then of course, the PI prices have increased even further.

Using their first computations of:

Medium Citadel build cost of 700M, blueprint 7b
Large Citadel build cost of 7b, blueprint 70b
XL Citadel build cost of 70b, blueprint 700b.

Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b. So they adjusted the blueprint to be in line with the others at 10x the build cost and it went from 700b to 1200b

Since then, PI prices has pushed the build costs up even further.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#11 - 2016-04-22 15:55:25 UTC
Taosst wrote:
It wasn't the inflated cost of materials that they adjusted to, but the increase in build materials that resulted in a higher build cost. Since then of course, the PI prices have increased even further.

Using their first computations of:

Medium Citadel build cost of 700M, blueprint 7b
Large Citadel build cost of 7b, blueprint 70b
XL Citadel build cost of 70b, blueprint 700b.

Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b. So they adjusted the blueprint to be in line with the others at 10x the build cost and it went from 700b to 1200b

Since then, PI prices has pushed the build costs up even further.


Exactly

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InterStellar Architect
InterStellar Architects Corporation
#12 - 2016-04-22 18:51:46 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
> https://i.imgur.com/ysVsc23.png

> https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4fw4cz/this_just_in_xl_citadel_blueprint_cost_increased/d2chu1y


I'm not surprised, and actually approve of this announcement.

I think the possibility of raising prices have always been on the drawing board, even before they announced the the 700 Bil price tag.

By the way, when they released the info they did say things could change.
Kyra Lee
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-04-24 09:59:34 UTC
Taosst wrote:
Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b.

I did not know that. I retract my previous statement then. Do you know where that information was communicated to us at?
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#14 - 2016-04-24 11:46:28 UTC
Kyra Lee wrote:
Taosst wrote:
Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b.

I did not know that. I retract my previous statement then. Do you know where that information was communicated to us at?


I think it was announced somewhere on the forum, not in a new thread tho
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#15 - 2016-04-24 13:40:35 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
Kyra Lee wrote:
Taosst wrote:
Some of the material requirements on the orginial blueprint went from 100 components to 200 components. That increase adjusted the build cost of a XL Citadel from 70b to 120b.

I did not know that. I retract my previous statement then. Do you know where that information was communicated to us at?


I think it was announced somewhere on the forum, not in a new thread tho



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6368506#post6368506


Here, although they said that the BPO would stay the same price.

Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread.

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sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#16 - 2016-04-24 16:53:40 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread.


I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things.
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#17 - 2016-04-24 16:58:09 UTC
sci0gon wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread.


I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things.


You can't check this on SiSi as every item is 100isk
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#18 - 2016-04-24 17:40:44 UTC
Aaron Honk wrote:
sci0gon wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread.


I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things.


You can't check this on SiSi as every item is 100isk

you can as I have known since 18th of march and shared that info with a few people from the blueprint sales channel. I admit they did change it so that more stations were seeding at 100 isk p/u but there are still places you can check from
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#19 - 2016-04-24 17:45:30 UTC
sci0gon wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
Nullarbor said they changed the price about 5 weeks ago, but forgot to update the thread.


I know you guys are upset with the change but why didnt you bother checking sisi yourselves? not everything they say and do always passes and even then sometimes they ninja in something too which is why sisi is very helpful for future releases and identifying those things.


Sisi's good for function, but useless for pricing unfortunately What?
Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#20 - 2016-04-25 01:09:42 UTC
sci0gon wrote:

you can as I have known since 18th of march and shared that info with a few people from the blueprint sales channel. I admit they did change it so that more stations were seeding at 100 isk p/u but there are still places you can check from


I don't know where you found your information but I roamed the region on sisi and I found no places where the BPO would be seeded at another price than 100isk
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