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Trouble understanding PI
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Drayzen
Black Stripe Ratting
#1 - 2016-04-22 03:53:35 UTC
So I have been doing PI for a while now and something always seems to go wrong, I have read endless pages of wiki and spoken to countless people about proper set ups and yet one or more of my processors always seem to fall short despite having far more than enough materials to pull from. It seems every day I log in to update it I am always finding advanced processors with 100% of one material and 0% of the second regardless of how full the storage bins feeding the basic processors are. I have checked, double checked, and triple checked my routes and can confirm with 100% certainty that they are all connected and feeding.


http://i.imgur.com/BI3l8lL.png

as you can see in the picture above I have far more than enough P0 to pull 6k every half hour producing 80 P1 every hour to fill the two advanced processors every hour, yet as you can see, it doesnt seem to work. in my mind the math yes it should but I was never all that great in math so maybe I am missing the value of X somewhere. any insight on this would be greatly appreciated
Drayzen
Black Stripe Ratting
#2 - 2016-04-22 03:57:07 UTC
Payne Dakara
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-04-22 05:47:50 UTC
Now login back remove 2 storage facilities that you have and link all extractors to lunch pad.
Drayzen
Black Stripe Ratting
#4 - 2016-04-22 06:27:47 UTC
I will try that but my concern is that the amount in my storage + the amount in my launch pad exceeds the amount the launch pad can hold, wont removing the storage cause waste?
Payne Dakara
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-04-22 08:13:38 UTC
Calculate the extractor cycle so that it produces slightly more than T1 processors can use for example 6000/h is one processor 12000 2 processors + each T1 processor can store 3000 for next cycle.

Based on the picture you have 4T1 and 2T2 processors.
each extractor needs to provide 12000/h + 10% or 13200 if your extractors produce more then add additional T1 processor or increase the extractor period.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#6 - 2016-04-22 11:44:24 UTC
I'd personally recommend putting the two storage facilities in the middle, a launch pad next to them, and then surround them with the processors. Link each processor to the storage facilities directly, and link the storage facilities to the launch pad. I'm not sure if that's what the problem is, but it looks like you're linking everything through processors, and I'm not sure that works or not. All I know is the way I suggested does work (assuming your links are correct).
Sara Starbuck
Adamantine Creations
#7 - 2016-04-22 13:34:00 UTC
Silos from extractors are good idea, maybe you dont need them at start but later on its nice.
Make sure you link from each silo to each t1 processor, DIRECT LINK.
Then from T1oxy and T1bio processor launchpad.
Then from Pad you link bio and oxy into the T2plastic.
And last from T2plastic back into the launchpad.
Start with 15min extract cycles so you can see stuff get into the silos, and then into the T1 factories.

Remember submit button often, check that each factory has incoming material(s), not transit.
Make sure the launchpad has 4 all the materials incoming and outgoing.
I have no idea why PI is so hard for some people atleast before you have planets with 18 or so bunched up processors.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#8 - 2016-04-22 13:36:05 UTC
Are you routing everything to and from a buffer? the chain should go: ECU -> Silo -> Factory -> Silo -> Advanced Factory -> Launchpad.

what may be happening is you're losing P1s as they have nowhere to route too if the basic/advanced facilities are a little out of synch.

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Sara Starbuck
Adamantine Creations
#9 - 2016-04-22 14:23:09 UTC
Also since this is your first try with PI, you could go one step at a time.
First make the extractor+silo, then see it works, then link to the T1 factory and to launchpad.
After you have stuff in the launchpad, make the T2 factory and link its input and output to the launchpad.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2016-04-22 17:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Personally, I only use launchpads for storage, and I'm using 3 day cycles.

Make sure all routes either begin or end on the launchpad (storage), and you'll be fine. Silos are not needed most of the time.

Example:
Route 1: Extractor output to launchpad (storage).
Route 2: Launchpad (storage) to BIF input.
Route 3: BIF output to launchpad (storage).
Route 4: Launchpad (storage) to AIF input.
Route 5: AIF output to launchpad (storage).

I strongly recommend against routing less than the maximum quantity consumed / produced. Worse, don't try to split the volume between factories via using routing limitations.

Those links, I assume to extractors, are mighty long too. That reduces the number of extractor heads you can use.

Also, avoid planets over 25,000 km in diameter. The smaller the planet, the shorter the links, the more power for extractor heads and factories.
Mad Vemane
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-04-22 19:59:00 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Personally, I only use launchpads for storage, and I'm using 3 day cycles.

Make sure all routes either begin or end on the launchpad (storage), and you'll be fine. Silos are not needed most of the time.

Example:
Route 1: Extractor output to launchpad (storage).
Route 2: Launchpad (storage) to BIF input.
Route 3: BIF output to launchpad (storage).
Route 4: Launchpad (storage) to AIF input.
Route 5: AIF output to launchpad (storage).

I strongly recommend against routing less than the maximum quantity consumed / produced. Worse, don't try to split the volume between factories via using routing limitations.

Those links, I assume to extractors, are mighty long too. That reduces the number of extractor heads you can use.

Also, avoid planets over 25,000 km in diameter. The smaller the planet, the shorter the links, the more power for extractor heads and factories.


I do the same, but link BIF to AIF directly
The only time I don't get my P2 fully processed, is when I run out of P0 (IE extractors don't produce enough)
No other problem for me, on the 30+ planets I have
Drayzen
Black Stripe Ratting
#12 - 2016-04-23 01:44:08 UTC
Quote:
Calculate the extractor cycle so that it produces slightly more than T1 processors can use for example 6000/h is one processor 12000 2 processors + each T1 processor can store 3000 for next cycle.


yes my extractors are producing roughly 30k per hour +/-

Quote:
Link each processor to the storage facilities directly, and link the storage facilities to the launch pad.


I tried to do that initially but I kept getting a notice saying that transferring product from a storage to a storage was a waste of time and could not be done

Quote:
Are you routing everything to and from a buffer? the chain should go: ECU -> Silo -> Factory -> Silo -> Advanced Factory -> Launchpad.
what may be happening is you're losing P1s as they have nowhere to route too if the basic/advanced facilities are a little out of synch.


The current routing path is ECU > Silo > Basic > Pad > Advanced > Pad


I will do some reworking tonight with the tips I have been given here and post my results. Thank you everyone for the replies and advice!