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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#41 - 2016-04-19 23:18:44 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Former Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth as a True Caldari Hero and Patriot.

If you don't mind.

That's two in one. But okay.

1. Tibus Heth has committed several heroic deeds, each of them alone makes him the Hero
- He saved himself a simple worker from under gunfire when everyone else were hiding behind the barricades (actually after this event his career skyrocketed, it was shown in the media everywhere in the State and all the people considered him a hero, I don't know why would you ask that, weren't you Caldari at that time (YC110)?)
- He has united all the Corporations of the State under one banner
- He has liberated our Homeworld from 200 year of occupation
- During the liberation of Caldari Prime he himself, while being de-facto leader of Caldari State, was fighting along line soldiers like a regular soldier. How many other heads of Empires would do the same? How many CEOs of Megacorps would?...

2. That Tibus Heth was a patriot is at the same time harder and easier to explain.
First of all, he was from the Kaalakiota corporation, which alone makes him formally 'a Patriot'. Second, his speeches were rather patriotic, filled with love and admiration to our State, Caldari people and Caldari blood. Then, in one of his first speeches he explicitly claimed to be a patriot. (I think it was his first speech too, where he has introduced himself to the whole State). And finally, his selfless actions and reforms he has executed to remove nepotism, establishing real meritocracy and making the State stronger. Even if he hasn't finished them, he has streghtened the State and we still can feel the difference and how general quality of life for every citizen became better.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#42 - 2016-04-20 00:48:10 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
weren't you Caldari at that time (YC110)?)

Reading and discussing your own perspective in a calm and polite fasion is what matters, am I right?

Just look at us, people of two completely different camps discussing a person we both have completely opposite views on. Isn't it just nice that we all have our own opinion about someone but at the same time don't feel like killing each other over it?

Now, allow me to introduce Makoto Priano to you.

I only know Ms. Priano for a year now, but ever since we met on one of the A'J gatherings she stroke me as a poised individual and a shrewd leader. For almost a year now I work for her and I never had a reason to question Ms. Priano's honesty and openess to new people as we united to tackle the unfolding crisis when everyone else seemed to not care. People came to work for the company, crew our ships, fight the menace. Every mission for them was a suicide mission, but still they volunteered and crewed our ships, knowing full well that that operation could be their last. Brave men and women. Empyreans of all backgrounds and nationalities came forward and joined forces with us. You may notice that not once there was a complaint about our salvage handling procedure - that has to tell a lot about the person in charge, even for an outsider.

What I am saying is, people are different, perspectives are different, methods are different. And in reality, Diana Kim, you should have your own head on your shoulders and be better than this. Better than beating the dead slaver hound that is that conflict.



Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#43 - 2016-04-20 02:10:09 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ms. Vero;

This is naturally a delicate subject, so understand that I navigate it carefully.

...

So-- apologies for the wandering response, but hopefully you understand that any response must be nuanced.


No, by all means nuance is appreciated without the need for apology. Thank you for clarifying, and my compliments for the work your organization has done.

I'll look forward to watching a recording of your presentation on this subject in Dam Torsad.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#44 - 2016-04-20 11:21:34 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
weren't you Caldari at that time (YC110)?)

Reading and discussing your own perspective in a calm and polite fasion is what matters, am I right?

Just look at us, people of two completely different camps discussing a person we both have completely opposite views on. Isn't it just nice that we all have our own opinion about someone but at the same time don't feel like killing each other over it?

Well, please excuse me for this. I shouldn't have snapped on you in that way, but please understand my point of view as well: he was the greatest hero to Caldari, and doubting it was offensive to me, as Caldari citizen.

Jaret Victorian wrote:

Now, allow me to introduce Makoto Priano to you.

I only know Ms. Priano for a year now, but ever since we met on one of the A'J gatherings she stroke me as a poised individual and a shrewd leader. For almost a year now I work for her and I never had a reason to question Ms. Priano's honesty and openess to new people as we united to tackle the unfolding crisis when everyone else seemed to not care. People came to work for the company, crew our ships, fight the menace. Every mission for them was a suicide mission, but still they volunteered and crewed our ships, knowing full well that that operation could be their last. Brave men and women. Empyreans of all backgrounds and nationalities came forward and joined forces with us. You may notice that not once there was a complaint about our salvage handling procedure - that has to tell a lot about the person in charge, even for an outsider.

And I have known Ms. Priano way longer that that.
At first I met her when she was in the camp of traitors, who decided to make blue pact with Gallente militia and fly together with them, claiming to be Caldari and declaring wars to those, who were defending the State. But I didn't pay much attention to her.

I have come into collision with this person after this traitorous organization decided to change it ways and join us. I have offered them help, instead Makoto started insulting me and spreading lies about me. I have challenged her to duel in case she was something personal against me, and duels can actually solve problems, if one of sides releases their anger to others, in result both participants can left the field as friends if they prove honor to each other.

Makoto didn't accept the challenge, neither wishing to meet in person nor in space, insisting in continuing the conflict. By doing so though she has shown herself not only as a liar, but as a coward and dishonorable person.

Jaret Victorian wrote:

What I am saying is, people are different, perspectives are different, methods are different. And in reality, Diana Kim, you should have your own head on your shoulders and be better than this. Better than beating the dead slaver hound that is that conflict.

As you can see, it was her choice to start this ridiculous senseless and unfounded conflict. But since she wanted it, she will get it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#45 - 2016-04-20 13:34:21 UTC
I see your perspective. Let me offer you mine for comparison.

You openly say that Tibus Heth is still a hero, despite him being wanted by the State. Quite a bold statement, considering that his followers that stole ships from Caldari Navy (again, a bold crime, I am sure) were quite literally manhunted not so long ago.

Following your logic you were the first one to accuse I-RED of being pirates, comparing them to common thugs and Guristas. You did not provide any proof to back your claim, and I am afraid it is too late for that as Ms. Priano is no longer an employee of that organization.

You stalked an harassed my employer on numerous occasions hurting her business reputation.

Furthermore, I did some research and found no combat records of you being present in a Scorpion during the Haatomo siege. I don't say you never were there, I don't say you were, all I know is that I couldn't find any proof that you were or were not. I know I weren't there for a fact though, so there's that.

All in all I see it as a leapfrog of quite embarassing accusations and verbal back and forth which happens everywhere everyday - just check Sararen's comms right now. Ridiculous stuff. Maybe this conflict should be dissolved?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#46 - 2016-04-20 14:31:55 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
I see your perspective. Let me offer you mine for comparison.

You openly say that Tibus Heth is still a hero, despite him being wanted by the State. Quite a bold statement, considering that his followers that stole ships from Caldari Navy (again, a bold crime, I am sure) were quite literally manhunted not so long ago.

Tibus Heth IS a hero, since he has committed heroic deeds. Whatever he is wanted for doesn't change what he did. Or, more like, was a hero, since he has died as a hero in Aivonen, fighting against Sansha forces.
And you know what is a bold statement? It is claiming that it was his followers, who stole the ships.

Jaret Victorian wrote:

Following your logic you were the first one to accuse I-RED of being pirates, comparing them to common thugs and Guristas. You did not provide any proof to back your claim, and I am afraid it is too late for that as Ms. Priano is no longer an employee of that organization.

Yes, I didn't. And since it is not needed anymore, I'll omit this part. HOWEVER. You said I was the FIRST one to accuse them. PLEASE read carefully what liar Makoto Priano has written there and to what I've answered. She was calling me outlaw and provist.

I demand you to bring apologies at once, otherwise we'll consider you to be a liar as well. Especially taking into account that such lie is way too obvious and your words contradict your own reference.

I have to say though that I did accuse them earlier, but that was way before they decided to switch sides and join us.

Jaret Victorian wrote:

You stalked an harassed my employer on numerous occasions hurting her business reputation.

Why do you even link a list of my replies? What is this and what for? There isn't evidences to any of your claims.

However, Makoto Priano is a known liar and dishonorable person, who on numerous occasions tried to speak like she would be Caldari or tried to conduct business openly. My duty as Caldari citizen is to warn readers about this dishonorable creature. I will continue doing this while she will dare to say something that can cast a shadow on Caldari reputation or try to conduct any business that will require trust. Also I might point out on her obvious lies shall she make any claims or promises if I consider it touching any of my interests for one reason or another.

Jaret Victorian wrote:

Furthermore, I did some research and found no combat records of you being present in a Scorpion during the Haatomo siege. I don't say you never were there, I don't say you were, all I know is that I couldn't find any proof that you were or were not. I know I weren't there for a fact though, so there's that.

Why would you ever need that?

Jaret Victorian wrote:

All in all I see it as a leapfrog of quite embarassing accusations and verbal back and forth which happens everywhere everyday - just check Sararen's comms right now. Ridiculous stuff. Maybe this conflict should be dissolved?

I am not sure this creature would ever want it. Even lately she was openly lying about me again. I am a Caldari Officer, she is just a speckle of dirt on my boot. I won't disgrace myself by offering my hand to that space trash again. I did it once, you saw how it turned out.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#47 - 2016-04-20 14:34:00 UTC
Was it ARC's intention to shift this thread so far off topic, or just one bad poster? Big smile

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#48 - 2016-04-20 15:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Diana Kim wrote:
Tibus Heth IS a hero, since he has committed heroic deeds. Whatever he is wanted for doesn't change what he did. Or, more like, was a hero, since he has died as a hero in Aivonen, fighting against Sansha forces.
And you know what is a bold statement? It is claiming that it was his followers, who stole the ships.

He had his ups and downs. We both know how it ended. And yes, they did. That is what the State says. Do you not believe them? Are you... a dissident? It was my assumption that you are the most patriotic Caldari there ever was.

Diana Kim wrote:
Yes, I didn't. And since it is not needed anymore, I'll omit this part. HOWEVER. You said I was the FIRST one to accuse them. PLEASE read carefully what liar Makoto Priano has written there and to what I've answered. She was calling me outlaw and provist.

I demand you to bring apologies at once, otherwise we'll consider you to be a liar as well. Especially taking into account that such lie is way too obvious and your words contradict your own reference.

I have to say though that I did accuse them earlier, but that was way before they decided to switch sides and join us.

Makoto Priano was merely doing her job and stating a corporate policy. I will illustrate this by supplying you with time marks.

  • 02:12:37 - Makoto Priano states corporate policy regarding Diana Kim.
  • 02:47:33 - Diana Kim claims I-RED are pirates, provides no proof.
  • 05:58:39 - Makoto Priano suggests Diana Kim tried to assist Provists. Note that I highlited "suggests" as any linguistic expertise will state that it is a suggestion, in case if you would like to take it to CBT.

  • No lies here, no apologies. Facts are facts.

    Regarding your third point - I am fairly sure Ms. Priano was and still is a Caldari Citizen, so that makes me think she never switched sides in the first place.

    Diana Kim wrote:
    Why do you even link a list of my replies? What is this and what for? There isn't evidences to any of your claims.

    Your words contradict your statement. I will, however, use the link I provided to give you an example of such a harassment.

    Diana Kim wrote:
    Why would you ever need that?

    That relates to your claim that Makoto Priano lied that you were assisting Provists in an Osprey. The thing is, nobody can say what were you flying and prove that, not even you, unless you have any memento from that day.

    Therefore, what we have.
    1) You claim that Ms. Priano was the first one to call you names. This wasn't true, proof above.
    2) You claim Ms. Priano called you a Provist. This is partly true as she was doing her job. You could always file a complaint with her employer, but this is irrelevant now as Ms. Priano is not related to I-RED. Attacking her on this basis is like coming to a shop and complaining to a cashier that the food is too expensive.
    3) You claim Ms. Priano was speculating with lies about your intentions. This cannot be proven for reasons I wrote above.

    Again, I think that conflict should be dissolved and forgotten.

    Niraia wrote:
    Was it ARC's intention to shift this thread so far off topic, or just one bad poster? Big smile

    Hello, would you like to be a part of the "The IGS is where productivity comes to die." study? You can be doing science and procrastinating simultaneously!
    John Revenent
    Revenent Defence Corperation
    Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
    #49 - 2016-04-20 16:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: John Revenent
    Still upset that Priano wouldn't sate your ego-fueled duel to the 'death'? You know I consider myself a traditionalist when it comes to customs, but a smart soldier knows when to apply tradition, and when to focus on more pressing issues.

    Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

    "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

    Tyrel Toov
    Non-Hostile Target
    Wild Geese.
    #50 - 2016-04-20 16:58:01 UTC
    Is.... is this what this thread is about?Ugh

    I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

    John Revenent
    Revenent Defence Corperation
    Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
    #51 - 2016-04-20 17:04:02 UTC
    Of course not. Though some individuals insist on wearing blinders, thus devolving most threads into this ones current state.

    Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

    "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

    Diana Kim
    State Protectorate
    Caldari State
    #52 - 2016-04-20 17:05:06 UTC
    Jaret Victorian wrote:
    Diana Kim wrote:

    I demand you to bring apologies at once, otherwise we'll consider you to be a liar as well. Especially taking into account that such lie is way too obvious and your words contradict your own reference.

    I have to say though that I did accuse them earlier, but that was way before they decided to switch sides and join us.

    Makoto Priano was merely doing her job and stating a corporate policy. I will illustrate this by supplying you with time marks.

  • 02:12:37 - Makoto Priano states corporate policy regarding Diana Kim.
  • 02:47:33 - Diana Kim claims I-RED are pirates, provides no proof.
  • 05:58:39 - Makoto Priano suggests Diana Kim tried to asist Provists. Note that I highlited "suggests" as any linguistic expertise will state that it is a suggestion, in case if you would like to take it to CBT.

  • No lies here, no apologies. Facts are facts.

    As thus you have proven yourself a liar on the following ground:

    You have publically claimed me to be "the first one to accuse I-RED of being pirates" in here (that was this 02:47:33)
    Jaret Victorian wrote:

    Following your logic you were the first one to accuse I-RED of being pirates, comparing them to common thugs and Guristas.

    But in dishonorable liar Priano's reply at 02:12:37 we can see following lies:
    "you remain an avowed and unrepentant Provist"
    " an ally of the outlaws" and
    "an ally of the outlaws who attempted a coup".
    Which was obvious lie and insult, but not "statement of corporate policy", as you have foolishly claimed.

    Now we all can see that it was dishonorable liar Priano who first accused me in being outlaw (your lie was about me calling her pirate first), I have only returned what she deserved.

    And I feel further communication with a liar like you is a groundless waste of time.

    Though if you would like to restore your honor, I'll make you only one offer. I am challenging you to a duel, shall it be in person or in ship, for you to decide.

    Also since you have openly claimed that "No lies here, no apologies. Facts are facts." even after I pointed at them first time, I won't accept your apology anymore before you will prove your honor.

    Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

    In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

    Diana Kim
    State Protectorate
    Caldari State
    #53 - 2016-04-20 17:13:46 UTC
    John Revenent wrote:
    Still upset that Priano wouldn't sate your ego-fueled duel to the 'death'?

    It's not about the duel, it's about making space trash to pay for spreading lies about Caldari Officers in public media.

    John Revenent wrote:
    You know I consider myself a traditionalist when it comes to customs, but a smart soldier knows when to apply tradition, and when to focus on more pressing issues.

    Is that why you have ran from your duty to the State?..

    Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

    In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #54 - 2016-04-20 17:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
    You are a liar, I am a liar, everyone is a liar. When everyone is a liar, noone is.

    I hereby challenge you, Diana Kim, to perform a solo infiltration of any Drifter Hive in any system and survive 20 minutes in the Hive itself. That should be as out of scope for you as asking scientists out on a duel. You have 24 hours to prove that you are an honorable officer and a valuble citizen as you claim to be. Use any ship or tactic if you want.

    Should you achieve the task and provide proofs I will make my apology to you. Should you fail you will cover yourself in shame for the rest of your life, apologize to Makoto Priano and me personally, stop the harassment, go to a pool party, serve me an ice cream, and so on and so forth.

    Really, I would like to take this to Caldari Business Tribunal, that would be more humane.
    Tyrel Toov
    Non-Hostile Target
    Wild Geese.
    #55 - 2016-04-20 18:06:07 UTC
    Jaret Victorian wrote:


    Really, I would like to take this to Caldari Business Tribunal, that would be more humane.

    It would certainly be a mercy for the rest of us....

    I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

    Nick Bete
    Highsec Haulers Inc.
    #56 - 2016-04-20 18:07:26 UTC
    Arguing (or indeed carrying out any form of communication) with Kim is akin to trying to teach physics to a pig; futile for you and annoying for the pig.
    Rinai Vero
    Blades of Liberty
    #57 - 2016-04-20 18:20:07 UTC
    As ridiculous as these engagements with Commander Kim always are lets not forget that it was well established that she did in fact engage in a criminal attack against fellow Caldari State pilots.

    Records of the engagement are public. A State Protectorate Sentry Gun destroyed her Zealot-class Heavy Assault Cruiser in the Innia system on 2013-07-19 at 10:55 during an unprovoked attack on Veikitamo Gesakaarin and Desiderya Tuulinen outside the State Protectorate station. This followed a previous attack against those pilots in the Eha system, where she engaged those same pilots while they were conducting an operation against FDU forces present at that time in the system.

    The idea that Diana Kim casts dishonor on anyone after such a shameful display of treachery in full view of the enemy during a time of war is laughable.

    She provided no facts in her defense against these charges, merely called Gesakaarin a liar without any proof, and has pretended the incident never happend ever after.

    If anyone wants to, that would be the post to link from now on whenever Diana Kim claims the mantle of honor over any other pilot.
    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #58 - 2016-04-20 18:32:28 UTC
    Oh...

    Oh my.

    Certainly giving 48 hours was too gracious of me. Let's lover it down to 24 hours.
    Diana Kim
    State Protectorate
    Caldari State
    #59 - 2016-04-20 18:44:22 UTC
    Jaret Victorian wrote:
    You are a liar, I am a liar, everyone is a liar. When everyone is a liar, noone is.

    Unlike you, I am not. You have been caught publically on lying and now you have proven you don't even have honor to accept the duel. What I can say more about it?
    Probably you then will prefer to live in exile with gallentean swines like Nick Bete instead of proper Caldari society?

    Jaret Victorian wrote:

    I hereby challenge you, Diana Kim, to perform a solo infiltration of any Drifter Hive in any system and survive 20 minutes in the Hive itself. That should be as out of scope for you as asking scientists out on a duel. You have 48 hours to prove that you are an honorable officer and a valuble citizen as you claim to be. Use any ship or tactic if you want.

    You have lost your honor, why do you think that such low life like you shall challenge me to anything? You have failed to accept the challenge and have no moral ground to issue challenges to your betters, especially when it was you who was found to behaving dishonorably in public.

    If you'd like to hide behind your profession, why you haven't been hiding behind it when you were lying about Caldari Officer. You have said a word and you shall take responsibility for it. Instead, you are just making fool out of yourself. That's not how scientists would behave. Scientists are smart and respectable people, who wouldn't insult officers, defending them.

    Jaret Victorian wrote:

    Should you achieve the task and provide proofs I will make my apology to you. Should you fail you will cover yourself in shame for the rest of your life, apologize to Makoto Priano and me personally, stop the harassment, go to a pool party, serve me an ice cream, and so on and so forth.

    I won't cover myself in shame from sending a dishonorable liar to know his place. Or maybe I should issue you a similar "challenge" on a degree of stupidity similar of yours.

    You shall perform a solo infiltration of Gallente Infrastructure Hub and destroy it within 20 minutes without any other help. That should be as out of scope for you as asking Caldari Officer to do some ridiculous task by dishonorable liar, who was caught on his lies. You have 48 hours to prove that you are an "honorable scientist" and not a total joke as you tried to represent yourself right now. Use any ship or tactic if you want.

    Should you achieve the task and provide proofs, I will consider doing your challenge. Should you fail you will cover yourself in shame... well, wait. You have just did it anyways. I don't really know what to ask you to do if you lose since I am totally not interested in lowlife scum to serving me.

    Jaret Victorian wrote:
    Really, I would like to take this to Caldari Business Tribunal, that would be more humane.

    It doesn't involve isk AFAIK.

    Lets see... you have publically lying about Caldari Officer.
    You have continued to lie even when your lies were publically refuted.
    You have failed to accept your mistake and bring apologies.
    You have displayed yourself a coward and lost your honor by inability to stand for your words.

    There's only one option for you left, if you still care about your honor: the tea.

    Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

    In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #60 - 2016-04-20 19:01:31 UTC
    No, no. You didn't get it. You are a liar, as explained here. Baseless accusations, harassments, damage to business reputation, it has it all and I haven't hired a professional lawyer yet.

    Why would I be taking challenges from a liar and traitor like you and covering in shame (my coat is just fine, thanks)? Hm?

    By the way, clock is ticking, you owe me an ice cream and a pool party.