EVE General Discussion

So, I see a lot of threads started and closed due to just blatant rants to be followed by arguments which I'm sure will happen here, but as a player active within the past 3 months, over 50m SP injected (yes, CCP got lots of cash from me and I feel entitled to speak my opinion), I have seen some pretty serious abuses of the Wardec system that will ultimately drive new players out.

The thing CCP has to remember is that a. This is a game. A game that changes constantly with new rules, restrictions as well as additions to the playing field. That being said, currently, Eve is heavily tilted towards the favor of veteran corporations with ISK to burn which lets face is really what dictates who has more power over others in Eve.

Mercenary Corporations that have the ability to wade through piles of corporations and cherry pick those with least potential to fight back or of lesser means to fight back if they chose to and then initiate hundreds of these war decs at a time to me a lazy approach to providing end game content to veteran players at the expense of new players.

As someone who launched a new corporation and recruited new players to teach and get established in EVE in pilots chosen career path only to setup a POS, get things moving just to end up in 2 blind wardecs, once of which with a 97% efficiency resulting in us having to either turtle up and cower in station under fear of losses we couldn't afford or B. disband active members of the corp and start a new chat channel to stay in contact until things blow over thus halting our progression in the game over all is a sheer kick in the face to players like myself and to the new members we aimed to help.

CCP, think about it this way. If the board were wiped clean today and everyone had to start from scratch. Would we have Corps war-deccing 100 corps at once? If the answer is no, then there is a severe imbalance. Of course those who benefit substantially from this imbalance will be the first to say "suck it up", but who would say otherwise when they rake in ISK and killmails so easily with little risk?

Quite simply a new industry corp with new players should not have to dodge an unprovoked, soley profiteering war against veteran players for as long as the aggressors want it to go on. It ultimately costs these corps nothing to prey on weaker/new corps and multiply that profit potential in droves with limitless decs.

If a corp had to focus their efforts to say 5 wardecs, they would be much more selective of their targets and it would let the newer corps rise up a bit and establish themselves before being sought after as a target worth deccing. This is the only way to level this playing field a bit.

Suppressing the growth of new corporations trying to teach new players to enjoy the game and establish themselves is not going to help increase the player base.

An no CCP, people buying your PLEX to inject skills or obtain sums of cash isn't going to be the answer for 98% of your new players so if thats your intent in allowing this, I may be time for me to sell off and cut my losses because I honestly can't support that kind of mentality behind a development company running a game.

Please do something soon to help your new members enjoy Eve and level the playing field so that every new account isn't just feeder fish for established player corps. The best way to increase retention is to enable progress.

Thank you.

I don't want your stuff, just the fresh SP, please :)

Thanks!

Because he's a paying customer, dammit

BTW, your shitposting with your other toon is why you have wardecs. You come off as someone who "didn't do nothing to no one," when it comes to wardecs, this is rarely the case, your case is no exception.

I never said a veteran corp shouldn't be able to prosper more efficiently than a new corp. They shouldn't be able to prosper at the expense of an endless list of newer corps.

I also find it funny that someone in an NPC corp that doesn't have to deal with such mechanics saying they shouldn't change. Hmmm.

If EVE is based on Risk vs. Reward, where is the Risk in deccing 200 newbie corps to blow up their mining barges for mods and killmails while they try to make an effort to establish themselves?

I think wardecs are pretty stupid but IMO so is highsec. What is it supposed to be exactly? If you want a completely safe haven then I think a good trade is to take away any pve that nets over 10m an hour.

Also, are you sure you recruited new players? Spies!

Think of it this way: if you could make yourself safe from everyone else in the game, how would you compete with the established veterans who would just use the same mechanics to avoid attack and out-compete you? Players need to be vulnerable to each other and they definitely cannot have the option to make themselves safe by making themselves weak or recruiting new players. That would just make the optimal strategy to make your industrial operation as weak as possible (or exploit and bubble-wrap new players away from the real game) so you can enjoy free protection.

If your abilities do not let you deal with the weakened rump of mechanic that is wardecs, perhaps it is your strategy that is flawed, not the game design.

CCP spent much effort during the last wardec revamp to try to make mercenaries a viable profession. Why would they now cut that profession of at the knees by limiting a Corp to an arbitrary number of wardecs? Besides, according to your logic wouldn't they still prey on the easiest and weakest of the corps for the "easy kills" you accuse them of only wanting?

Wardecs could be improved, sure, as the fact that mercenaries have to declare hundreds of wars to get any content indicates. But limiting them to a handful isn't going to do anything but put the mechanic completely in the ground. At the very least, you would have to make changes to guarantee that those five wars would be much more productive than the current typical war, which is something players like you who seem to abhor any conflict would very much not like I imagine.

Because a lot of these bottom feeding corps didnt rise up under the same suppression they now bestow on other corps.

Many of you have been playing for a long time and have had ample time to establish yourselves. Sure, there were always challenges but you also had much more choice in what challenges you felt ready to face. New players today dont really have that choice between suicide gankers, high sec war deccing corps, etc. It's a mechanic that simply needs to be limited and or balanced a great deal.

You can't say "eve is hard, deal with it" because groups of people wanting to make war-deccing more risky or more "intelligent" than it currently is. There really is no excuse for being able to blanket dec every industrial/newbie corp in the game for constant easy kills. That to me is an exploit.

If a merc corp can easily look through a corporations kill mails and see, "hey, these guys suck, fly expensive ships to run missions or mine a lot, we should blow them all up and laugh ourselves to the bank" and have nothing to risk, then, that is not balanced in anyway shape or form and needs to be redone or pulled from the game until it can be balanced.

What? So basically you are saying, that because people are making dumb decisions the game should be balanced around these people unable to think properly?

People who suck at PvP and choose to fly around in purple fitted ships are their own decisions. People should have this choice, just as people should have the choice of wardeccing these people. Obviously, the carebears also have the choice of learning PvP and fighting back. Often they will not make this choice, but instead come here on the forums and beg CCP to make changes to balance the game in their favour.

But EvE is a sandbox and no playstyle is "correct". You might not enjoy being the "victim" of highsec wardecs, but it is your own choice to be in that role. The freedom to be a rampaging PvPer, a griefing maniac or a paranoid carebear is what makes this game great. If you do not enjoy being the "victim", then you should take measures and learn about the game so you are no longer in this role.

Basically, stop beggin CCP to make changes to accomodate your playstyle and start making choices that will benefit you instead. If you cannot put in the effort to make the game enjoyable for yourself, then this game is simply not for you.