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Is SP Farming A New Thing?
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Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
#1 - 2016-04-13 15:45:04 UTC
I was making this video Daily Opportunities Now On Singularity and was wondering if a lot of people are going to be SP farming and making up Skill Injectors and if that in turn will drop the current prices of the Injectors?
Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
#2 - 2016-04-13 15:58:51 UTC
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Tavari Minrathos
PC Load Letter
#3 - 2016-04-13 16:07:03 UTC
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
#4 - 2016-04-13 16:14:22 UTC
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)


Thanks for that clear answer for me and everyone to read. I am going to try it on Singularity daily but probably not when it hits TQ unless I'm bored or it falls in line with what I happen to be doing.
Tavari Minrathos
PC Load Letter
#5 - 2016-04-13 16:24:52 UTC
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)


Thanks for that clear answer for me and everyone to read. I am going to try it on Singularity daily but probably not when it hits TQ unless I'm bored or it falls in line with what I happen to be doing.


Oh, you meant from the 10k sp a day thing. That might push SP farming into a 4th extractor (~300k SP a month at current floated value) meaning an passive SP farm+daily activity could make ~650m a month.
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
#6 - 2016-04-13 17:00:04 UTC
This is two things now on SP farming and with the extra injectors hitting the market it will drive prices down. Then again once prices go down and people buy them out, it should just level out the prices again.

I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#7 - 2016-04-13 17:26:40 UTC
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)

The win of injectors over plex is that injectors are instant, which is probably what keeps them profitable, even though you won't get actual gametime in return for injectors.

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Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-04-13 17:28:49 UTC
With +5 implants you can extract about 4 injectors per month even without the daily NPC kill. The NPC kills give you a bit more than half (namely 3/5th) of an extra skill injector optimally. Whether this bonus is worth the hassle in practice for SP farmers I do not know. I guess the best way would be to park the SP cow in a belt in high sec in say a Rifter: log in, shoot rat, log off safely - all while remaining undocked in space. You can reload (cheap) ammo when you occasionally dock the SP cow in a station for milking...
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#9 - 2016-04-13 18:34:53 UTC
Tristan Agion wrote:
With +5 implants you can extract about 4 injectors per month even without the daily NPC kill. The NPC kills give you a bit more than half (namely 3/5th) of an extra skill injector optimally. Whether this bonus is worth the hassle in practice for SP farmers I do not know. I guess the best way would be to park the SP cow in a belt in high sec in say a Rifter: log in, shoot rat, log off safely - all while remaining undocked in space. You can reload (cheap) ammo when you occasionally dock the SP cow in a station for milking...


Use lasers with t1 ammo so you do not have to reload.

Also, there is a 5 minute timer gained after shooting or being targeted by an npc, so you would have to wait for that to expire before logging off safely.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#10 - 2016-04-13 22:19:20 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:


Also, there is a 5 minute timer gained after shooting or being targeted by an npc, so you would have to wait for that to expire before logging off safely.


Non-issue in high sec, nobody is going to waste time probing and suicide ganking some terrible T1 cruiser so you just make a safespot and warp back to it then exit the client, its not like the 5 minutes in space matters if you're not in something expensive or in null
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#11 - 2016-04-14 01:43:18 UTC
mmmm....that'd be a "no".
Do the math.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-04-14 01:49:14 UTC
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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-04-14 02:14:32 UTC
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)



YEah, I have a JF alt account that I'm planning on doing this with. I don't have to pay to maintain the sub, AND I make a little something on the side. Not bad.

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Hawke Frost
#14 - 2016-04-14 11:03:38 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)



YEah, I have a JF alt account that I'm planning on doing this with. I don't have to pay to maintain the sub, AND I make a little something on the side. Not bad.


The second more people start to catch up on that the more competition you'll get which will affect the price and thus profitability. Still, it's worth it for accounts that don't need training anymore. I doubt CCP envisioned this, they're not very good at predicting the outcome of their choices.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-04-14 11:21:48 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)



YEah, I have a JF alt account that I'm planning on doing this with. I don't have to pay to maintain the sub, AND I make a little something on the side. Not bad.


The second more people start to catch up on that the more competition you'll get which will affect the price and thus profitability. Still, it's worth it for accounts that don't need training anymore. I doubt CCP envisioned this, they're not very good at predicting the outcome of their choices.

You know what is funny?

Players KNEW months before skill injectors came. Many of them already prepared SP farms. Looking at sell orders for skill injectors some farms are pretty huge.

When i was reading about it months ago i was pretty sure this would be gamed right from the start....

And still farming of SP is pretty profitable.

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Hawke Frost
#16 - 2016-04-14 11:49:20 UTC
For most people this is "a lot of math" and most people don't have accounts that really don't need training anymore so early adopters with initiative are still doing fine. That is why people rallied for this and that is why this is NOT in the interest of newbies, as if anything ever is.
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#17 - 2016-04-14 15:37:37 UTC
if SP farming becomes a very common thing, i belive CCP will try nerf it... either reduce max skillpoints generation pr month.. or manipulate plexprices upwards to make SP farming non profitable.


Either way, CCP has shot themselves in the foot With allowing skillpoint trading.


So in my opinion, for CCP too keep everyone somewhat happy and dont loose subscirption Income, they wont do anything cuz its allready screwed up badly as it is :D
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#18 - 2016-04-14 15:41:38 UTC
Skill point trading was a thing even before and many were making a money on that even before injectors were a thing.
I believe CCP partialy will add these opportunities to keep the same amount of SP in market due to injector diminishing returns. I'd love to see data on how much SP has already been lost in proccess of extracting/injecting.
Erik Oppenheimer
The Honourable Heimatar Company
#19 - 2016-04-14 16:27:26 UTC
Tristan Agion wrote:
With +5 implants you can extract about 4 injectors per month even without the daily NPC kill. The NPC kills give you a bit more than half (namely 3/5th) of an extra skill injector optimally. ...


Please forgive my ignorance - what is "NPC kill" and its relation to farming skillpoints? How do NPC kills give skillpoints?
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#20 - 2016-04-14 17:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Anne Dieu-le-veut
Cypherous wrote:

Non-issue in high sec, nobody is going to waste time probing and suicide ganking some terrible T1 cruiser so you just make a safespot and warp back to it then exit the client, its not like the 5 minutes in space matters if you're not in something expensive or in null


You're forgetting about +4 or possibly +5 implants in your SP farmer, making it worthwhile for KB padding.

Erik Oppenheimer wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance - what is "NPC kill" and its relation to farming skillpoints? How do NPC kills give skillpoints?


They're toying with the idea of giving you 10,000 unallocated SP per day just to log in and kill something.
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