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EVE Online - Epileptics Beware of the Suns!!!

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ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-01-03 21:05:25 UTC
This problem will only affect people with photo-sensitive epilespy (flashing lights, strobes etc) so if in doubt see your doctor to double check.

I suffer with epilespy myself but not with the above, there are many different things that can trigger seizures and yes they can be fatal.

So for safetys sake get checked out, Eve is a great game and it would be a shame if something like this spoilt it.

Fly safe.

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Pandorium9
Pandorium Prime
The CodeX Alliance
#62 - 2012-01-03 22:31:48 UTC
Johnathan Roark wrote:
This even happens to me on the login screen.


Sometimes happens to me too at the login screen and in game.
SandKid
Sunset Logistics Company
#63 - 2012-01-03 23:29:54 UTC
Pandorium9 wrote:
Johnathan Roark wrote:
This even happens to me on the login screen.


Sometimes happens to me too at the login screen and in game.


I didn't even think about this - but it also happens on my login screen sometimes too! Usually right as the game starts up and the Condors fly from overhead. Once they fly around the station it usually has stopped. It does not happen everytime on startup, which is odd since I assume the login background is 100% the same each time?

However, settings affect this background too iirc - as in if I lower the details, for example, the background details will diminish too as if in game. But that 'fake system' background is a solid example of the flashing occurring at random.
SandKid
Sunset Logistics Company
#64 - 2012-01-03 23:32:35 UTC
ctx2007 wrote:
This problem will only affect people with photo-sensitive epilespy (flashing lights, strobes etc) so if in doubt see your doctor to double check.

I suffer with epilespy myself but not with the above, there are many different things that can trigger seizures and yes they can be fatal.

So for safetys sake get checked out, Eve is a great game and it would be a shame if something like this spoilt it.

Fly safe.


Like he says, this can be a very serious issue - all kinds of players play EVE, I remember color-blindness being a topic of importance quite some time ago and the desire to have the game have a UI setting for color-blind players. (Color Blind, if you did not know, doesn't necessarily mean seeing black and white only - it can be a whole range of random colors, just not all of them like normal sight.)

That this happens on the login screen means 'turning the camera' isn't an option either - but it also proves it happens with a still camera. So whatever the problem is, it's not necessarily the angle of the camera but directly tied to the sun's effects.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-01-03 23:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
SandKid wrote:
So ever since the new changes from Crucible (which the vast majority are way awesome), I've noticed that just about every other system has a sun that flashes like crazy.

My screen, flashing solid white intermittently, cannot be good for my health (considering it does actually cause me headaches after awhile). Now my current remedy for this is to simply rotate the camera away from the sun - which means if combat layout of a mission or fight happens to be TOWARDS the sun, I'm screwed.

Is this a known issue? I recall it happening pre-Crucible, but it was very rare. This is now happening on a very regular basis and, in a way, it really destroys the playability of the game because literally you cannot see the screen from it flashing white constantly.

Does this have to do with the new flare on the suns? And is CCP aware of the problem? Of all the things Crucible needs fixed (which isn't too much, you got a ton right) this needs to be near the top because of how severely it affects gameplay and player comfort. I joke about epilepsy, except this issue is so bad it really COULD kill someone that's epileptic.

Any others suffering from this very annoying graphic bug?


to turn off the epilectic seizures hit esc & uncheck "sun is occluded by objects"

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#66 - 2012-01-06 00:03:21 UTC
Prior to the Crucible expansion, I never experienced a "flickering sun" problem. Now, however, I experience it all the time, and it's pretty annoying. Yes, I know I can turn off the Sun occluded option (and I have), but I wish I didn't have to.

Oh, one other thing which might be helpful, prior to Crucible, I was running an Nvidia 8800GTS. With the expansion, I also updated my video card to an AMD 6870.

So, maybe the expansion doesn't matter, and it's due to the video card, or vice versa.

Either way, it sucks. :(

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-01-06 10:59:50 UTC
Photosensitive epileptics are the only ones who suffer from bright / flashy lights. Also, I don't believe (though I could be wrong) that people have just dropped dead from it!

As for the matter of the sun being too bright. Do look directly into the sun IRL?

Perhaps when you have to look toward the sun you should wear sun-glasses?
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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-01-06 11:13:53 UTC
Suns are **** and need an update anyway.

and the pulse laser effect is ********, that needs fixing too.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-01-06 11:35:30 UTC
I get the bug you are describing when I dual box in window mode.

As soon as I do that, looking at the sun on either client may result in hard white flashing.
It was before crucible though. Crucible they just turned the brightness of the sun up, because :literally nobody knows the **** why they would do that:

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-01-06 11:56:42 UTC
CCP Mannapi wrote:
Hi there,

Is this view angle dependent for everyone who experiences this?

Also, is this tied to solar systems. Is it more likely to happen in certain systems? If so please list them here or preferably in a Bug Report.


For me it's just when an object blocks the sun if the camera moves a bit you get the flashing effect. Even a pod can block the entire light from the sun apparently Straight

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Andrei Vassaliev
U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees
#71 - 2012-01-06 13:13:43 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:

For me it's just when an object blocks the sun if the camera moves a bit you get the flashing effect. Even a pod can block the entire light from the sun apparently Straight


Same for me. This issue exists since Incursion expansion. I hoped this would be fixed in Crucible, but not. What?
Callic Veratar
#72 - 2012-01-06 16:47:59 UTC
Some things that could be important:

- What processor do you have?
- What video card do you have (SLI/Crossfire)?
- What kind of monitor do you have?
- Are you running at the monitor's native resolution?
- Do you have VSync on?
- Are you setting object to occlude the sun?

I've heard complaining about this for a while, but I've never encountered it. I've had 5 different video card set ups (8800GT SLI, 8800GT, 250 GTS, GTX 560 Ti, X1600m), 4 different monitors (laptop, single LCD, dual LCD, dual LED), and 3 different processors (old something, q6700, and i7 920) in a few combinations so far with no issue.
Barakkus
#73 - 2012-01-06 18:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakkus
Embrodak Kazerin wrote:

  • The flashing started on TQ when Crucible was released. It didn't occur in the Crucible test builds on Sisi, but I don't know if it happens on Sisi now. I might have a look later if I remember.

    • The flashing has been going on for almost a year now actually.


    Andrei Vassaliev wrote:
    Rek Seven wrote:

    For me it's just when an object blocks the sun if the camera moves a bit you get the flashing effect. Even a pod can block the entire light from the sun apparently Straight


    Same for me. This issue exists since Incursion expansion. I hoped this would be fixed in Crucible, but not. What?


    It was supposed to be fixed, and I think it was a few updates ago, but it seems to be back now.

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    Mnengli Noiliffe
    Doomheim
    #74 - 2012-01-06 18:34:57 UTC
    this is AMD specific bug so they pprobably won't fix it since they have some kind of deal with NVidia.
    Vincent Cod
    The Cod Pact
    #75 - 2012-01-30 02:03:07 UTC
    I also have this issue, turning off "Sun is occluded by objects" does fix it for the most part, but i still get occasional flashes where the screen goes completely white.

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    XY Zed
    #76 - 2012-01-30 02:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: XY Zed
    Can we just turn off the sun? I've always thought it was too bright, like staring a light bulb...

    edit: 90% of time when i moved my camera was to make sure I wasnt looking at the sun.
    T703
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #77 - 2012-01-30 02:29:07 UTC
    Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
    this is AMD specific bug so they pprobably won't fix it since they have some kind of deal with NVidia.


    Negative, I have GTX570 and also experience this sun flashing/white out.
    Spineker
    #78 - 2012-01-30 02:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
    Didnt they dim the stars last patch? They are not so bright now to be annoying but never any flashy stuff.
    Mr LaForge
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #79 - 2012-01-30 02:49:34 UTC
    XY Zed wrote:
    Can we just turn off the sun? I've always thought it was too bright, like staring a light bulb...

    edit: 90% of time when i moved my camera was to make sure I wasnt looking at the sun.



    This actually. I'd like this option.

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    Bayushi Tamago
    Sect of the Crimson Eisa
    #80 - 2012-01-30 06:08:40 UTC
    I get the sun flares as well.
    ATI chip, dual box - 1 client/screen in fixed window mode, only really happens when facing the sun, but happens in many systems, mostly when missioning, especially when there is clouds present on grid