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[GalFed] Announcement of the Villore Assembly

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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#61 - 2016-04-16 22:54:08 UTC
Alex Hinkelmann wrote:

Business is in the Caldari spirit. It is what makes the State what it is today, Ishukone-Raata and Ishukone are not alone in this thinking.

To name a few dutiful Caldari Corporations who still continue their agreements with the Gallente and manage assets within the sovereign boundaries of the Federation:

- The Caldari Business Tribunal
- CBD Corporation
- Expert Distribution
- Kaalakiota Corporation
- Lai Dai
- Modern Finances
- Nugoeihuvi Corporation
- Wiyrkomi Corporation

The lines in this proxy war are rather grey. At least since the fall of Heth.


Indeed. Caldari firms are active all across New Eden. And always have been. Can't see a war getting in the way of an opportunity to make a profit.

What has always puzzled me however is how someone managed to get the State and the Empire to agree to have Republic Security Services stations within their borders.

Or why we agreed to the Imperial Armaments stations in The Republic.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#62 - 2016-04-16 23:08:07 UTC
To allow the other "the courtesy" of letting the opposite side know they are amassing an armada. Think of it like an embasy....
James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#63 - 2016-04-17 00:48:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Alex Hinkelmann wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
That's already two I-RED representatives, showing interest in internal Federal affairs. I wonder what for?..


It has been public knowledge for the better part of a decade that like many Megacorporations within the State Ishukone-Raata conducts a fair amount of trade with our neighbors - no matter the state of political posture of either side. Ishukone too has a vested interest throughout their sovereign space.

No matter the state of political posture including open war? When all other Caldari people are fighting with them, you are trading with them.

When they torture our prisoners, you are trading with them.

When they occupy our homeworld, you are trading with them.

When they crash our titans on our planets, killing millions, you are trading with them.

Good job, enjoy your trade, I guess?..

Commerce is indeed the life blood of the cluster.

I would imagine their... trade has done more good for more Caldari than your... rantings.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#64 - 2016-04-17 01:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
It should also be noted that the Federation did not seize assets, freeze accounts or arrest personnel of Caldari corporations in its jurisdiction - which, as a sovereign nation which was at the time under the threat of war by a State operating under an illegitimate Templis Dragonaur coup d'etat, it would have been perfectly entitled to do. In fact, it could be argued that the strategically sound thing to do would have been to forcibly seize every State-run station and turn everything inside of them towards the war effort. But we didn't.

It should also be noted that Federal Administration - at Ishukone's request - sat down with Ishukone representatives to clarify the legality of Ishukone's claim over Intaki's shipping and transport franchise and system development rights. Since the development rights were auctioned by an organisation that did not have authority to issue them, they had no legal standing whatsoever. The Federation had no obligation to respect them. It could quite easily have turfed Ishukone out of Intaki by claiming that the agreement had been made under duress and thus was illegitimate (regardless of whether or not that were true). But we didn't.

Federal Administration left an open offer to the other megacorporations to make similar clarifications, which was ignored - but of course, this came back to bite the megacorporations in the rear when the Federation reclaimed its systems and Heth summarily revoked the development rights. For a State that supposedly prides itself on making good strategic decisions, it's somewhat telling that Ishukone was the only megacorporation with enough business sense to clarify the legality of its investments.

Basically, I think what's really going on here is that some Caldari are sour that Ishukone are better at being Caldari than they are.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#65 - 2016-04-17 08:45:31 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

Commerce is indeed the life blood of the cluster.

I would imagine their... trade has done more good for more Caldari than your... rantings.

One who is ranting right now is you, Syagrius. Besides that you have shown yourself unable to accept facts, degenerating yourself to level of brainless gallente propaganda, disrespecting peoples lives with your cruelty.

Pretty much their trade did nothing comparable to what we do. And trade with obvious enemy is a disgrace to ANY Caldari citizen, would they be soldiers or enterpreneurs. Nobody would want to lose honor by trading with enemies. Well, nobody from those, who were raised as Caldari.

Gurista and other honorless criminal elements would though.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#66 - 2016-04-17 11:09:03 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Commerce is indeed the life blood of the cluster.

I would imagine their... trade has done more good for more Caldari than your... rantings.

One who is ranting right now is you, Syagrius. Besides that you have shown yourself unable to accept facts, degenerating yourself to level of brainless gallente propaganda, disrespecting peoples lives with your cruelty.

Pretty much their trade did nothing comparable to what we do. And trade with obvious enemy is a disgrace to ANY Caldari citizen, would they be soldiers or enterpreneurs. Nobody would want to lose honor by trading with enemies. Well, nobody from those, who were raised as Caldari.

Gurista and other honorless criminal elements would though.


Commander, did you miss the point about many Caldari corporations, including Kaalakiota, having assets and conducting business in the Federation and the Republic? Or are you of the opinion that any Caldari organisation that trades abroad anywhere other than the Empire, Kingdom & Mandate is committing treason?

If this last is true then a good part of the State is guilty of it.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#67 - 2016-04-17 14:57:27 UTC
Let's also take into account that when the Provists attempted to strong-arm the CEP into revoking the corporate status of the Quafe Corporation, the CEP soundly rebuffed them despite the Provists being at the height of their power during the affair. This clearly shows that commerce with the Federation is more important to the State than the ramblings of insane, irrelevant warmongers.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#68 - 2016-04-17 15:30:15 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Not a bad thing really. People get tired of being "ruled" by representatives elected by people light years away, who sit at desks light years away, and tell us what's good for us. The Syndicate at least has people who don't need a map to find their way around it.



If this happens, it's entirely of that people's own fault. Local politics might not be fashionable or glamorous, but it's the lifeblood of the Federation. Every District Assembly needs citizens to be engaged, to lobby and to vote.

There's far too much whining about how the 'elite' run the Senate as if the people don't matter, when the same people refuse to get off their couches and vote. Senators can be held to account by their local assemblies, but only if those deputies have a mandate that scares them. And it's not just at election time - politically active citizens keep their representatives - I was about to write 'honest' but that would be an overly extravagant claim - keep them attentive.

It should not be forgotten that despite the calls of locally elected representatives in the Senate, the ability to vote and be counted was denied to a large number of Federal citizens for quite some time.

It serves as a prime example of what happens when local opinion is overridden by decision making powers far away in Villore.

Security fears led to the undermining of the heart of democracy of which the Federation is so proud. It led to disillusionment from which some have yet to recover.

To hand-wave the disenfranchisement of politically informed and active citizens away so casually is damning.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#69 - 2016-04-17 17:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:

Commander, did you miss the point about many Caldari corporations, including Kaalakiota, having assets and conducting business in the Federation and the Republic? Or are you of the opinion that any Caldari organisation that trades abroad anywhere other than the Empire, Kingdom & Mandate is committing treason?

If this last is true then a good part of the State is guilty of it.

Conducting business in Federation and Republic territory doesn't involve dealing with enemies. You will probably be surprised, but I myself conduct a lot of business in Federal space. I won't tell you exact nature of my business, but the goods I... procure... are sent to Caldari space to serve Caldari people.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#70 - 2016-04-17 17:49:51 UTC
I think both Mssrs Kinnison and Bataav make laudable points, but have also left some out. Yes, if the electorate was more engaged it would be much more difficult for elected representatives to ignore them. Yes, many were unjustly denied the right to vote despite the will of the population in Low Security regions in Federation space.

I think it is fair to say that apathy of voters and detachment of leaders are not the only evils that undermine democracy. The "security fears" mentioned by Bataav were hardly inconsequential. How does a free democracy conduct a fair election when its people are under the bootheel of an invading army? I think the Federation failed its citizens by not coming up with a better answer, but it wasn't a simple question.
Jason Galente
Hole Punchers
I Could Do Better
#71 - 2016-04-17 18:48:39 UTC
I am a proud citizen of Pandemic space, but my birthplace will always be Bourynes. Any way I can participate in this assembly? I may be interested.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#72 - 2016-04-17 19:28:54 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:

Commander, did you miss the point about many Caldari corporations, including Kaalakiota, having assets and conducting business in the Federation and the Republic? Or are you of the opinion that any Caldari organisation that trades abroad anywhere other than the Empire, Kingdom & Mandate is committing treason?

If this last is true then a good part of the State is guilty of it.

Conducting business in Federation and Republic territory doesn't involve dealing with enemies. You will probably be surprised, but I myself conduct a lot of business in Federal space. I won't tell you exact nature of my business, but the goods I... procure... are sent to Caldari space to serve Caldari people.

Honest question, I conducted(won't say whether I still do or not) business with caldari associates, yet I'm an "enemy to the state," How's that work exactly? My business with them generally wass gathering supplies to combat other capsuleers who mind you shoot both the Federation and Caldari militia members equally as a nonentity. (Personally I try my best to not shoot either ACTUAL sides because it isn't my fight nor my concern) Any business I did directly with the Caldari was generally coolant and other similar materials production, thus nonmilitary based.
James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#73 - 2016-04-17 22:10:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Commerce is indeed the life blood of the cluster.
I would imagine their... trade has done more good for more Caldari than your... rantings.

One who is ranting right now is you, Syagrius. Besides that you have shown yourself unable to accept facts, degenerating yourself to level of brainless gallente propaganda, disrespecting peoples lives with your cruelty.

I’m not ranting dear; I am just making conversation. I assure you if I were ranting you would notice.

You see my dear conversation is one of the civilized arts. We can’t all stump through life with a sword and shield, growling. A few of us do try to preserve the dignities.

But I think I am piecing together the rules that govern that muddled little mind of yours.

Recently in another conversation you had some rather unkind things to say to Mr. Sinjin Mokk.
Diana Kim wrote:
You speak about me like you know me, but you know nothing, Sinjin Mokk...... that I will look from above at your inferiority caused by your comment about my person and will consider your point of view from this position.

Interesting indeed. So let’s review….

Your difficultly with me stems from my use of the word ‘alleged’ in describing the treatment of some State prisoners of war.

Now you belittle Mr. Mokk, a very charming gentleman…. If ever there was one.

So in effect you believe, if someone disagrees with ‘your’ interpretation of events they are a liar, and if they disagree with ‘your’ position they are an idiot.

Then you make a rather startling confession…
Diana Kim wrote:
I myself never really tried to convert hostile PoWs to anything, since I believe that their convictions is not my business. My business is to either transport them to the entity that will take care about them, or to provide them with fair trial and execute sentence in accordance with current codes.

One wonders what percentage of the ‘fair trials’ you have so graciously provided ended in execution.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#74 - 2016-04-18 04:14:46 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

But I think I am piecing together the rules that govern that muddled little mind of yours.

Don't you dare to speak of Caldari Officer like that! We already know you are a liar so your attempts are futile. You, heartless cruel gallentean propagandist, you are a shame to the whole humanity.

Look what you write else.
James Syagrius wrote:

I’m not ranting dear; I am just making conversation. I assure you if I were ranting you would notice.

You see my dear conversation is one of the civilized arts.

Oh, so denying facts and covering atrocities that are being committed currently daily and thousands of people being tortured is "civilized art" to you? Is that you call "conversation"?

You are disgusting creature.

James Syagrius wrote:

So in effect you believe, if someone disagrees with ‘your’ interpretation of events they are a liar, and if they disagree with ‘your’ position they are an idiot.

Another one lie of a typical gallentean propagandist. Luckily, your status as a liar was already proven elsewhere.

James Syagrius wrote:

Your difficultly with me stems from my use of the word ‘alleged’ in describing the treatment of some State prisoners of war.

I have dedicated a WHOLE conversation where you had your chance and you have failed. And I have described in detail what the problem was. This discussion doesn't belong in here. Only results of it.

James Syagrius wrote:

One wonders what percentage of the ‘fair trials’ you have so graciously provided ended in execution.

98.5% And if your dirty mouth wants to dare to claim they weren't fair, I assure you, those who weren't executed were found to be innocent, they were mostly captives and passengers. So, before making any other claims on that matter and saying I would "release" enemies and was unfair, I tell you this. Don't you dare to come to discussion of these unless you will be able to bring SOLID proofs of their guilt. If you do, I give a word of Caldari Officer, I'll find them wherever they would be hiding and I will bring them back to justice. Otherwise, don't bother me about it ever again.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#75 - 2016-04-18 06:56:55 UTC
Didn't I say something about personal attacks in this thread? I'm pretty sure I said something about personal attacks in this thread.

Can we like, not?
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#76 - 2016-04-18 11:13:53 UTC
Rinai, apparently, at least one person is completely incapable. I name no names, but I could. But I won't.

But I could.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#77 - 2016-04-18 12:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
One of my pilots, Sirlan Takahi, whipped up this gem the last time Kim and I exchanged words over Heth. Her response was as questionable as her disavowal of open trade relations is here.

Ah well.

As said, pilots, best not to feed the troll.

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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#78 - 2016-04-18 14:45:35 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
I am a proud citizen of Pandemic space, but my birthplace will always be Bourynes. Any way I can participate in this assembly? I may be interested.


The Assembly welcomes those residents of the various Capsuleer Empires who still love the Federation homeland and wish to see it prosper. Indeed, since we exist as a lobby of and for Capsuleer interests it would hardly behoove us to exclude the large demographic that nullsec represents.

Contact me directly with a secure means to forward your invite.
James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#79 - 2016-04-18 22:37:33 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Didn't I say something about personal attacks in this thread? I'm pretty sure I said something about personal attacks in this thread.

Can we like, not?

Oh... Well I do beg your pardon. I will of course respect your request and refrain from further comment regarding Ms. Kim's mental acumen in this thread.
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#80 - 2016-04-23 16:09:13 UTC
Like the rest of New Eden, we've been watching the Succession Trials with keen interest. Now that they have concluded, I'm sure many on the IGS will be discussing the wider ramifications of the ascension of the first Tash-Murkon to the Throne. As the Amarr transition into this new era, life in the Federation goes on, and billions of Gallente citizens begin to look for new entertainment and controversy elsewhere.

So far the Assembly is off to a good start. We've been conducting a spirited discussion on the subject of civil conflict on the Jin-Mei homeworld. A full report on the issue will be prepared and publicized once the matter has been fully examined. We continue to welcome new Delegates, as we hope to input from as many capsuleers and communities as possible.

We already have representatives from many diverse backgrounds, but we always want more flavor in the melting pot. If you are interested in joining the discussion, please contact me via evemail.