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[GalFed] Announcement of the Villore Assembly

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Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#41 - 2016-04-13 13:34:01 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
I have very little interest in what Ms. Kim has to say.

Probably because you have chosen to ignore the truth when I smeared your nose to it, preferring to spew groundless gallente propaganda.

James Syagrius wrote:

She isn’t interested in peace, accommodation, or understanding.

Said a gallentean, supporting occupation regime and failing to understand us or facts.
Don't speak about me, barking gallentean swine, you know nothing about what I am interested in.
For example, I am most definitely interested in peace and to render you agressors unable to break it ever again.

James Syagrius wrote:

She is a propagandist who is interested only in causing dissension among those she wishes to destroy.

Said a gallentean propagandist, trying to cover the fact with his groundless words.

James Syagrius wrote:

If she were to equally denounce the many…. excesses of the State, then perhaps I would have more interest.

Care to name at least two?

James Syagrius wrote:

Otherwise, as ever she is just a feckless hack whose rabble rousing isn’t worth further consideration.

Syagrius, I'd like to remind you that it was YOU, who has shown whole IGS you aren't worth further consideration, not me.
Ref.: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=474649

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#42 - 2016-04-13 13:37:49 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:

but really, do continue digging your own hole.

"iyammarrok", I have pointed you where you have publically denounced easily verifiable fact ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6437045#post6437045 ) here, showing yourself as a clown to the whole IGS, and all you tried to do is to try to divert conversation to discussion of planetary atmospheres?

Stop barking from YOUR hole, because I don't think anyone could ever fall lower than you.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#43 - 2016-04-13 14:24:10 UTC
I would prefer if there were no more personal attacks leveled within this thread by those of us participating in the Assembly. Gods know that I've had many sharp words on the IGS in the past, but in this case we should set an example of cordiality.

Commander Kim, I am willing to hear what you have to say at the Assembly in time. Now, we are in the process of recruiting new members and finding our footing. In our previous exchange you were willing to acknowledge that I was not denying facts of the Caldari POW matter. I commended you for that, and respected the integrity it required. If you hope to see this matter addressed with your input in the Assembly, it will require a small amount of respect on your part.

Everyone else, I very much appreciate the discussion so far. You are all raising important questions about what the purpose of this Assembly will be, and what challenges we will face. Please continue, and if possible, do so in a respectful manner.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2016-04-13 16:26:19 UTC
As someone with personal and business interests in the Gallente Federation, I'm interested in being an envoy of an Amarrian organization.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#45 - 2016-04-13 18:13:15 UTC
Very well, Ms. Vero. Thank you.

I'll respect your Assembly in my turn. But on any attack including insult I'll reply as usual.
Tenfold or greater.

Also please don't expect from me any respect to the Federation or any of occupants, should they be found on Caldari Prime, Black Rise or other Caldari worlds.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2016-04-14 23:33:53 UTC
Sounds like fun. I'm in.


But you really need to reach out to the ILF. This ain't gonna be half what it could be unless Intaki has a voice at the table.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#47 - 2016-04-15 02:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
Namas Tayam

I have been following this discussion since Gen. Vero's opening announcement, and take the invitation for participation by non-Federal groups to be genuine.

I'm pleased that some here believe the Intaki Liberation Front's voice, and that of the wider Intaki Prosperity Initiative, is important enough to be heard and listened to, and so I will be providing the necessary contact details for a formal invitation to be submitted.

I am sure you will understand that my own participation is likely to be focussed on topics which matter most to my organisation, and the people we work to support.

However, as others have said, this assembly risks seen as a Moira.-led initiative, and that brings a particular "diplomatic" reputation into play, especially when it comes to the topics of discussion I'll be more involved in.

It is my hope that the personal and professional reputations (or lack thereof) each of us will bring, will not undermine what appear on face value to be the good intentions behind the creation of the Villore Assembly.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#48 - 2016-04-15 03:39:50 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Sounds like fun. I'm in.


But you really need to reach out to the ILF. This ain't gonna be half what it could be unless Intaki has a voice at the table.


What, Intaki can't have a voice at the table unless it's the ILF? Take into consideration that a significant majority of Intaki's population are pro-Federation.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#49 - 2016-04-15 05:35:48 UTC
An interesting idea, though as with most other endeavors to bring issues to the attention of the Powers That Be, I have trouble seeing a proper response from them being among the potential outcomes.

That said, I'll see if someone in my corporation might be interested. Failing that, I will consider volunteering myself.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#50 - 2016-04-15 14:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Rook Moray wrote:
Sounds like fun. I'm in.


But you really need to reach out to the ILF. This ain't gonna be half what it could be unless Intaki has a voice at the table.


What, Intaki can't have a voice at the table unless it's the ILF? Take into consideration that a significant majority of Intaki's population are pro-Federation.

I think it's more a reflection of the fact no other capsuleer organisation has dedicated an entire decade, investing the proverbial blood, sweat and tears into the Intaki system, for the benefit of its people.

I'd say we have a reasonable grasp of local challenges and concerns, and I'm happy to bring these to the table on behalf of my corporation.

I have no interest in derailing sensible and reasonable discussions with calls for independence, if it's not appropriate to the matter at hand. To do so would simply validate claims by some of our political opponants that we are not a group with Intaki's best interests at heart.

We're not the political extremists of Intaki Pure, pushing some misguided isolationist agenda at all costs. The Intaki Liberation Front is perfectly capable of taking a wider view, and our record shows that we're more than comfortable working alongside other groups with differing political views to our own.
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#51 - 2016-04-15 16:07:03 UTC
I am glad to see that our colleagues from the ILF are wiling to participate in the Assembly. Although we disagree on the matter of independence, I have come to believe they share a genuine desire for the betterment of the Intaki people. Also, it must not be forgotten that despite their support for radical secessionist politics, many of their members remain citizens of the Federation. Their voice should not be silenced or ignored.

I also think Mahesha Bataav's comments on the risk that the Villore Assembly may be seen as "Moira-led" bear further discussion. Obviously, I'm a Moira pilot, and other Moira pilots are involved. Our history as aggressive defenders of Federation sovereignty is well known. Ultimately, it will be up to the wider community to decide whether the Villore Assembly adequately enables the participation of others, or not. I hope it is clear for now that we are striving to be open and welcoming to all interested parties.

Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#52 - 2016-04-15 16:49:35 UTC
Rinai Vero, while at this time the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive has no plans to participate in what appears to be a matter of the Federation. We would like to send observers to this initiative.
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#53 - 2016-04-15 17:30:52 UTC
Alex Hinkelmann wrote:
Rinai Vero, while at this time the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive has no plans to participate in what appears to be a matter of the Federation. We would like to send observers to this initiative.


I've already been in contact with Korsavius, who has asked to observe on IRED's behalf. Given his longstanding ties with your organization we've already granted him Envoy status. If IRED would like to send any other observers, please forward their contact information to me via evemail.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#54 - 2016-04-15 20:47:47 UTC
That's already two I-RED representatives, showing interest in internal Federal affairs. I wonder what for?..

Honestly, for myself, there is absolutely nothing interesting in Federal-related stuff unless it goes outside the Federation. Oh, well, except one: utter and complete destruction of the said Federation. But something tells me nobody would be interested in hearing this... suggestion... in the Assembly if I'll come with it.

Though, maybe, I shall try? I could even make a presentation! With colorful pictures for our Brutor "friend".

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#55 - 2016-04-15 20:51:50 UTC
I'm going to guess that the Secretary General would rule comments of that nature out of order.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#56 - 2016-04-16 00:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Makoto Priano wrote:
I second Mr. Onzo's concerns on the ability of this body to affect change. What's more, I am deeply concerned that an assembly lead by active participants in the Gallente-Caldari warzone are unlikely to be the most capable peace-makers, nor able to put forward policies that will gain significant traction outside the Federation itself. Further yet, by rendering largely powerless any non-Federation participant, I worry that participation in this endeavor is tantamount to subordination to Federation interests.

Simply, there are a number of high-minded ideals here, but I am unconvinced.

What will your assembly's task be with regard to the Pakhshi Peace Conference results? What do you consider to be the assembly's foremost matters for attention? Who are currently delegates, and what are their affiliations? If a delegate pushed for an Intaki popular referendum on Federation membership, what would be your assembly's position? Have you solicited the Intaki Prosperity Initiative for involvement?

Provided an adequately broad-minded response to these questions and concerns, I may have an envoy in mind, one who is known for her diplomatic stance.




An independent Intaki homeworld (well, as best as the Syndicate would continue to pretend not to run it).

Not a bad thing really. People get tired of being "ruled" by representatives elected by people light years away, who sit at desks light years away, and tell us what's good for us. The Syndicate at least has people who don't need a map to find their way around it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#57 - 2016-04-16 02:36:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
That's already two I-RED representatives, showing interest in internal Federal affairs. I wonder what for?..


It has been public knowledge for the better part of a decade that like many Megacorporations within the State Ishukone-Raata conducts a fair amount of trade with our neighbors - no matter the state of political posture of either side. Ishukone too has a vested interest throughout their sovereign space.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#58 - 2016-04-16 07:51:43 UTC
Alex Hinkelmann wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
That's already two I-RED representatives, showing interest in internal Federal affairs. I wonder what for?..


It has been public knowledge for the better part of a decade that like many Megacorporations within the State Ishukone-Raata conducts a fair amount of trade with our neighbors - no matter the state of political posture of either side. Ishukone too has a vested interest throughout their sovereign space.

No matter the state of political posture including open war? When all other Caldari people are fighting with them, you are trading with them.

When they torture our prisoners, you are trading with them.

When they occupy our homeworld, you are trading with them.

When they crash our titans on our planets, killing millions, you are trading with them.

Good job, enjoy your trade, I guess?..

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Skyweir Kinnison
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2016-04-16 10:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Skyweir Kinnison
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Not a bad thing really. People get tired of being "ruled" by representatives elected by people light years away, who sit at desks light years away, and tell us what's good for us. The Syndicate at least has people who don't need a map to find their way around it.



If this happens, it's entirely of that people's own fault. Local politics might not be fashionable or glamorous, but it's the lifeblood of the Federation. Every District Assembly needs citizens to be engaged, to lobby and to vote.

There's far too much whining about how the 'elite' run the Senate as if the people don't matter, when the same people refuse to get off their couches and vote. Senators can be held to account by their local assemblies, but only if those deputies have a mandate that scares them. And it's not just at election time - politically active citizens keep their representatives - I was about to write 'honest' but that would be an overly extravagant claim - keep them attentive.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#60 - 2016-04-16 18:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Hinkelmann
Diana Kim wrote:
Alex Hinkelmann wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
That's already two I-RED representatives, showing interest in internal Federal affairs. I wonder what for?..


It has been public knowledge for the better part of a decade that like many Megacorporations within the State Ishukone-Raata conducts a fair amount of trade with our neighbors - no matter the state of political posture of either side. Ishukone too has a vested interest throughout their sovereign space.

No matter the state of political posture including open war? When all other Caldari people are fighting with them, you are trading with them.

When they torture our prisoners, you are trading with them.

When they occupy our homeworld, you are trading with them.

When they crash our titans on our planets, killing millions, you are trading with them.

Good job, enjoy your trade, I guess?..


Business is in the Caldari spirit. It is what makes the State what it is today, Ishukone-Raata and Ishukone are not alone in this thinking.

To name a few dutiful Caldari Corporations who still continue their agreements with the Gallente and manage assets within the sovereign boundaries of the Federation:

- The Caldari Business Tribunal
- CBD Corporation
- Expert Distribution
- Kaalakiota Corporation
- Lai Dai
- Modern Finances
- Nugoeihuvi Corporation
- Wiyrkomi Corporation

The lines in this proxy war are rather grey. At least since the fall of Heth.