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Doing anything in 0.0 is safer than high sec and more profitable
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Schonm
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-17 19:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Schonm
Anyone who has lived there before knows this, their biggest wine is AFK cloakers? lol, high-sec players laugh at this non-sense. How do you think it is with 40 people in local all the time, warp-ins all around you, all of them potentially want to gank you.

In 0.0 you hide behind interdiction, you hide behind vast intel networks, deserts of boredom, a veritable no man's land, tucked away in a corner, in a dark hiding spot with local.

It is safer and more profitable to
A) NPC
B) Mine
C) Run incursions
D) Sit in a pod at a gate like an idiot


In high sec you actually have to ask youself, is that hulk worth it? 200m will take me forever to make back and I will probably be ganked in less than that. In 0.0, you have to actively try to be ganked just so you can cry for sympathy like a little emo *****, and make 50m in ~2 hours

Or you could just say lol, go to a haven and make 100m in 20 minutes, with also no risk.

Nerf 0.0 and also make it more dangerous, these pussies are getting a free ride... plus they get moon mining??? Why do they even need that? It's not as if there are actual wars there anymore. Nerf moon profitability and also allow it in highsec on a small scale.
Freezehunter
#2 - 2011-12-17 19:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
I agree 100%.
The only truly dangerous place in Eve is low sec, followed by wormholes, then empire, to a way lesser degree.

0.0 is almost 100% safe if you are in an alliance, and have friends, and you keep an eye on the intel channels.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#3 - 2011-12-17 20:02:01 UTC
I'd tend to agree

The oft used 'More risk more isk' fails IMO if you consider losses compared to income.

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Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#4 - 2011-12-17 20:03:04 UTC
All true, this is why 0.0 want hi sec removed, they want EVE to be a pure safe PvE game only
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-17 20:05:39 UTC
posting in a troll thread

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Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-17 20:06:11 UTC
Schonm wrote:
Anyone who has lived there before knows this, their biggest wine is AFK cloakers? lol, high-sec players laugh at this non-sense. How do you think it is with 40 people in local all the time, warp-ins all around you, all of them potentially want to gank you.

In 0.0 you hide behind interdiction, you hide behind vast intel networks, deserts of boredom, a veritable no man's land, tucked away in a corner, in a dark hiding spot with local.

It is safer and more profitable to
A) NPC
B) Mine
C) Run incursions
D) Sit in a pod at a gate like an idiot


In high sec you actually have to ask youself, is that hulk worth it? 200m will take me forever to make back and I will probably be ganked in less than that. In 0.0, you have to actively try to be ganked just so you can cry for sympathy like a little emo *****, and make 50m in ~2 hours

Or you could just say lol, go to a haven and make 100m in 20 minutes, with also no risk.

Nerf 0.0 and also make it more dangerous, these pussies are getting a free ride... plus they get moon mining??? Why do they even need that? It's not as if there are actual wars there anymore. Nerf moon profitability and also allow it in highsec on a small scale.


Mostly true when compared to hisec, but your assuming every alliance in null has Havens and Sanctums.. some owned parts of space are ****** but will still turn a good profit over hisec

100mil in 20m puts you in a carrier + more and has you warping site to site..

Realistically its more in the 10-30mil in 20mins. It's really depends on the space you have and its sec status..

Nullsec doesn't need a nerf.. I hear bout people making a 100mil in hour doing incursions. I can make bout 50mil in that time in a ****** system if I'm ontopp of my game.. all done while keeping eyes peeled on local Intel channels and cloaky eyes in backend systems..
Schonm
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-12-17 20:06:54 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
posting in a troll thread



It's not a troll if everything in the OP is true, you stupid... pathetic... pointless little goon.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#8 - 2011-12-17 20:08:45 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
posting troll in a thread


Fixed

Obviously Forum PvP is a about the riskiest thing Goons seem to undertake.

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Schonm
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-12-17 20:09:52 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
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Well, obviously I was grossly generalizing about the raw earnings but the overall point I think is still valid.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#10 - 2011-12-17 20:18:01 UTC
True perhaps, but there is a tradeoff. Null is boring - no nearly as much to do as in high-sec. You have to be in an alliance, most probably with a good amount of asshats. There will be times that you have to fly around in formation for hours or sit on gates for hours wondering why you play this game. Other times you will be ordered to stay docked - oh well, there goes your game time for that night. Most likely you will be expected to be on voice comms all the time to, so you'll have to hear some moron's favorite song, or some emo kid's complaint about his girlfriend (or lack thereof), or some inane story about what someone's cat did. Anyone who wants to put up with all that is welcome to have it.

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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#11 - 2011-12-17 20:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Riley Moore
Maxpie wrote:
True perhaps, but there is a tradeoff. Null is boring - no nearly as much to do as in high-sec. You have to be in an alliance, most probably with a good amount of asshats. There will be times that you have to fly around in formation for hours or sit on gates for hours wondering why you play this game. Other times you will be ordered to stay docked - oh well, there goes your game time for that night. Most likely you will be expected to be on voice comms all the time to, so you'll have to hear some moron's favorite song, or some emo kid's complaint about his girlfriend (or lack thereof), or some inane story about what someone's cat did. Anyone who wants to put up with all that is welcome to have it.


Why I stopped. That and the 200+ supercap fleets. That got boring fast. I did have fun doing sanctums in dualbox carrier setup. And general triage ops this way.

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Alara IonStorm
#12 - 2011-12-17 20:22:08 UTC
Note to Self, Join massive Null Alliance with more Systems then sense and a very large amount of Blues.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2011-12-17 20:23:49 UTC
0.0 is only safe because people make it safe.
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-12-17 20:28:28 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
All true, this is why 0.0 want hi sec removed, they want EVE to be a pure safe PvE game only


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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#15 - 2011-12-17 20:31:23 UTC
It's harder to bubble camp in High Sec though. I have not had success as of yet.

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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#16 - 2011-12-17 20:31:57 UTC
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
All true, this is why 0.0 want hi sec removed, they want EVE to be a pure safe PvE game only


There is far more truth than irony here.Pirate



I too had to throw a chuckle at this. ;)

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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#17 - 2011-12-17 20:55:59 UTC
Actually it's kinda of true that 0.0 is safer than high sec. Vast intel networks and people constantly being aware of the surroundings makes the risk far lower, while in high people tend to get sloppy and forget aggro mechanics, thus getting them selves killed.

0.0 is safer because nobody has the illusion of safety.

And about the isk making - you can easily make 15m isk / 20 minutes in a t2 fitted battleship (if you know what you'r doing) in systems that have hubs as top anoms. In havens you can easily double that, especially in a well organized squad.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#18 - 2011-12-17 21:04:59 UTC
eve has null?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2011-12-17 21:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Schonm wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
posting in a troll thread



It's not a troll if everything in the OP is true, you stupid... pathetic... pointless little goon.


So what exactly is the point of the OP? You want people to move out to (or out of) null so you can shoot them? People that want to play the game their own way and on their own terms might misunderstand whatever it is you are trying to convey here.

/not trolling, just don't see a point.

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Alara IonStorm
#20 - 2011-12-17 21:18:23 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

/not trolling, just don't see a point.

There are a bunch of nerf Hi Sec profits it's too safe threads started by Null folks. This is a counter thread roasting them for it.
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