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Living in Low Sec as a solo pir... pilot. (Advice)

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Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#1 - 2016-04-09 04:43:34 UTC
There's quite a few things driving me to low sec. My new found love for PvP, the fact PvP is making my sec status commonly go into the negative, the fact of ratting, and last and very importantly my love of exploration. I'm involved in a corp of good friends but they all seem pretty seated in high sec for now, so I will be moving on my own and living out here on my own. A plan I have right now is to find a low key system in low sec, but next to null sec. This will let me rat, go into null at my own risk when not exploring wormholes, and envelope me in low sec. But here's where I'd like some advice. Where I want to be it will put me a substantial ways from high sec, and I will be my own courier most likely (probably using t1 freighters/haulers for now.) I also face the issue of the trouble to find a medical bay for a jump clone. And lastly, I know a lot of people out here are in corps. I personally don't mind being on my own as that is most of my low/null/wh experience.

So, how do you recommend I transport things from deep low to high sec? How common is it to find stations with medical bays and is there anything special I would need for low sec med bays? And what should I expect as a solo pilot?

I also welcome any advice from all of you as it will help me as I encounter many fun and exciting situations. And well, sometimes not so fun and exciting situations. Thanks all for taking the time to read this, and I look forward to reading the replies.


Ships I plan to bring initially:
-Vexor
-Hecate
-Astero
-Iteron Mk. V

Ships I plan to unlock:
-Ishtar
-Nemesis
-Helios
-Garmur (just waiting on missile support skills)
-Worm (just waiting on missile support skills)

I would love to bring my Vindicator for ratting but losing a Vindi would definitely hurt. I am also welcome to advice on ships, I am mostly Gallente with Gunnery/Armor/Drone skills. I do have good shield skills as well.
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-04-09 04:56:14 UTC
You are going to want friends in lowsec. There are solo pilots out there who really know what they are doing with their linked worms and garmurs, and if that is what you aspire to, great. However, I think you could do worse than considering Factional Warfare. Join K.E.A Pub in-game channel and ask around-- we are a fun and active lowsec FW corp that is pretty piratey.

I know you didn't mention FW, but it was this that answered those questions for me when I grew bored of hisec.

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

Hawke Frost
#3 - 2016-04-09 05:03:19 UTC
For a solo pilot looking for solo pvp you'll probably do better to fight in 0.0 than in low sec, that may sound backwards but low sec is full of people who use scram kiting frigates (which is your best bet as a true solo player) so the folks who fly there are ready for that tactic. In 0.0 scram kiting is less used so people generally don't fit, or know how, to counter it.

If you mean "solo" as in "brings scouts, gang links and possibly a falcon" then that may be different.
Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#4 - 2016-04-09 05:26:13 UTC
The issue I see with being solo in Null sec is not having a POS, so being stationless. And the fact that transporting things back and forth would become yet again more difficult. You guys really think I should just skip low sec?

Most my fights so far have been in Low or WH space.
Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#5 - 2016-04-09 05:37:25 UTC
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
You are going to want friends in lowsec. There are solo pilots out there who really know what they are doing with their linked worms and garmurs, and if that is what you aspire to, great. However, I think you could do worse than considering Factional Warfare. Join K.E.A Pub in-game channel and ask around-- we are a fun and active lowsec FW corp that is pretty piratey.

I know you didn't mention FW, but it was this that answered those questions for me when I grew bored of hisec.


Thanks! I joined the channel. I will probably hang out a bit and get to know people.
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-04-09 05:45:19 UTC
Chris Hallen wrote:
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
You are going to want friends in lowsec. There are solo pilots out there who really know what they are doing with their linked worms and garmurs, and if that is what you aspire to, great. However, I think you could do worse than considering Factional Warfare. Join K.E.A Pub in-game channel and ask around-- we are a fun and active lowsec FW corp that is pretty piratey.

I know you didn't mention FW, but it was this that answered those questions for me when I grew bored of hisec.


Thanks! I joined the channel. I will probably hang out a bit and get to know people.


Superb! I am on vacation, otherwise I would chat with you there myself. Good luck.

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

Hawke Frost
#7 - 2016-04-09 05:45:53 UTC
Chris Hallen wrote:
The issue I see with being solo in Null sec is not having a POS, so being stationless. And the fact that transporting things back and forth would become yet again more difficult. You guys really think I should just skip low sec?

Most my fights so far have been in Low or WH space.


Fight in 0.0, not necessarily live there :)
Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#8 - 2016-04-09 06:13:38 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
Chris Hallen wrote:
The issue I see with being solo in Null sec is not having a POS, so being stationless. And the fact that transporting things back and forth would become yet again more difficult. You guys really think I should just skip low sec?

Most my fights so far have been in Low or WH space.


Fight in 0.0, not necessarily live there :)


Oooooh. Good idea!
Rengar Lothbrook
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-04-09 08:40:14 UTC
I just started playing again a few days ago and headed to low sec aswell. I didnt have any trouble finding a medical bay, you can use the map to show you.You dont ned anything to use them. I used red frog to transport ships and equipment from a trade hub to a high sec system bordering low sec. They are about 2m isk per jump. If you want them to take it to lowsec, you need to use black frog. Pvp for us noobs in lowsec is hard. We cant engage on gate or station or we die, and anyone who engages us probably knows what they are doing. What i do is scan down the relic and data sites, book mark them, and when i see an explo ship in the system with probes out, ill wait either in the site for them to come(if they are out of d scan range) or ill wait for them to scan it down then warp to them. Usually are easy pickings and can have some loot. This is the most pvp you'll see in lowsec until your in a bc to tank the guns,unless someone is afk on the gate or station, then you could get them.
Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#10 - 2016-04-09 08:55:41 UTC
Rengar Lothbrook wrote:
I just started playing again a few days ago and headed to low sec aswell. I didnt have any trouble finding a medical bay, you can use the map to show you.You dont ned anything to use them. I used red frog to transport ships and equipment from a trade hub to a high sec system bordering low sec. They are about 2m isk per jump. If you want them to take it to lowsec, you need to use black frog. Pvp for us noobs in lowsec is hard. We cant engage on gate or station or we die, and anyone who engages us probably knows what they are doing. What i do is scan down the relic and data sites, book mark them, and when i see an explo ship in the system with probes out, ill wait either in the site for them to come(if they are out of d scan range) or ill wait for them to scan it down then warp to them. Usually are easy pickings and can have some loot. This is the most pvp you'll see in lowsec until your in a bc to tank the guns,unless someone is afk on the gate or station, then you could get them.


Haha I feel you. If I am actively looking for a fight I can do a good job of using d-scan or combat probes. Also just jumping from belt to belt you generally find some PvP. But, solo I have definitely bitten off more than I can chew and gotten jumped by more.
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#11 - 2016-04-09 11:12:28 UTC
A few things I can tell you as someone who's been living in low sec for long time

1. You want to get Viator (since you are already into Gallente skills). When fit for cargo Viator can haul packaged cruiser hull + mods and ammo and if you come acorss any good loot from pvp or exploration in low/null you want to be able to move them to hubs safely and Viator with covert cloak is your best bet.

2. You may want to rethink about moving into really deep end of low-sec. You may be 'safer' there, if there is much less traffic, but since you want some pvp as well it's better to hang around somewhere at least a few jumps to high sec. Some places are just too empty and you will have to roam a lot to get a fight if it's too deep in low/null.

3. Low sec near null systems are ok, but don't base yourself too close to actual low-null entrance system (unless you want LOTS of fight).

4. If you are in Serpentis/Guristas space, Ishtar can do the null sites very well because of resists. So yeah you are onto right track trying to unlock this. Once you have missile support skills, Tengu is awesome for doing stuff around low/null, but for PvP and PvE.

5. Since you'll likely have Gallente Frigate V for Helios, just spend some time training interceptor skill as well. They're also bubble immune so quite nice to travel around if you are near low/null.

6. It's nice to have alts, but not absolutely mandatory. However, I would advice at least making a trade hub alt on one of your empty character slots to manage your sell orders when you bring them to market every now and then. You could reach a point where your sec status is so bad you can't go to high-sec anymore without paying for tags, or even when sec status is not a problem it's nice to have a high-sec market alt who can update orders instead of your pvp character having to travel to get in range of order updates.

7. Always explore wormhole opportunities. Solo C3 is quite reasonable to do and brings decent income if you find a quiet hole, but for pvp, what's really nice is when you find those wormhole leading to some backwater null system. Sometimes you end up somewhere so quiet you can rat your heart out in null, or even better, you get a connection to some sov holding null bloc's ratting space. With some luck & planning, you could get some very nice killmails. For this I highly recommend Curse or Pilgrim. It's on Amarr track so you will need to spend some time training for Amarr Cruiser V, but you can use your drone and armor tanking skills so it's not too bad. Curse does not show up on d-scan and it's very good vs. active tanked PvE boats you find doing sites/anoms in null/wormholes.

Have fun!
Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#12 - 2016-04-09 19:39:22 UTC
Pookoko wrote:
A few things I can tell you as someone who's been living in low sec for long time

1. You want to get Viator (since you are already into Gallente skills). When fit for cargo Viator can haul packaged cruiser hull + mods and ammo and if you come acorss any good loot from pvp or exploration in low/null you want to be able to move them to hubs safely and Viator with covert cloak is your best bet.

2. You may want to rethink about moving into really deep end of low-sec. You may be 'safer' there, if there is much less traffic, but since you want some pvp as well it's better to hang around somewhere at least a few jumps to high sec. Some places are just too empty and you will have to roam a lot to get a fight if it's too deep in low/null.

3. Low sec near null systems are ok, but don't base yourself too close to actual low-null entrance system (unless you want LOTS of fight).

4. If you are in Serpentis/Guristas space, Ishtar can do the null sites very well because of resists. So yeah you are onto right track trying to unlock this. Once you have missile support skills, Tengu is awesome for doing stuff around low/null, but for PvP and PvE.

5. Since you'll likely have Gallente Frigate V for Helios, just spend some time training interceptor skill as well. They're also bubble immune so quite nice to travel around if you are near low/null.

6. It's nice to have alts, but not absolutely mandatory. However, I would advice at least making a trade hub alt on one of your empty character slots to manage your sell orders when you bring them to market every now and then. You could reach a point where your sec status is so bad you can't go to high-sec anymore without paying for tags, or even when sec status is not a problem it's nice to have a high-sec market alt who can update orders instead of your pvp character having to travel to get in range of order updates.

7. Always explore wormhole opportunities. Solo C3 is quite reasonable to do and brings decent income if you find a quiet hole, but for pvp, what's really nice is when you find those wormhole leading to some backwater null system. Sometimes you end up somewhere so quiet you can rat your heart out in null, or even better, you get a connection to some sov holding null bloc's ratting space. With some luck & planning, you could get some very nice killmails. For this I highly recommend Curse or Pilgrim. It's on Amarr track so you will need to spend some time training for Amarr Cruiser V, but you can use your drone and armor tanking skills so it's not too bad. Curse does not show up on d-scan and it's very good vs. active tanked PvE boats you find doing sites/anoms in null/wormholes.

Have fun!


Wow thank you, this is a lot of really useful information. Believe it or not most of my exploration has been done in WH space and I've used back doors into null quite a bit, just usually more for exploration and not ratting. Also the alt idea is something I had not even thought of but would definitely solve the constant battle for security status. Seems a couple pod kills in low and concord wants your head. Do you usually just make an alt or second account? Also do you recommend any training for said alt?
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-04-09 21:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: W33b3l
Make sure the alt can fly a covert ops hauler like a viator or equivalent and it wouldn't be a bad idea to train a frigate class to 5 as well so you can scout with it in a covert ops frig. And obviousley the claoking skills.

I used to troll lowsec in a pilgrim personally. Lets me choose my targets and let the big guns pass by. Usually just ends up in a game of "let's see if I can point that Venture" just for the fun of it though lol. It's really eather that, or just fly a T1 frig that you can afford to loose and hope for the best. It ends up with the person you're fighting having a friend in a force recon uncloak off your starboard bow and procede to make you second guess your life choices from time to time though.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#14 - 2016-04-09 22:27:06 UTC
What you want to do in lowsec will determine where you live and what you fly. For instance there are folk who like nothing better then constant frig and small ship combat. Such folk are probably best served living in fw space. There are others however who feel anything below a bc is a waste of time. For me and my corp we like a quite backwater close to null and hs which allows us to hotdrop faction ratting bs, carriers, and freighters. We do not get a lot of constant action but the action that we get is usually monetarily significant. Now if I was just starting out as a solo pilot in ls, I would probably want a relatively quite area to get some experience and acclimation first. After all if you jump right in to a busy area like fw space you will not be the only hunter. And no one likes dying over and over again.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
#15 - 2016-04-09 23:21:27 UTC
You don't need any of that if you don't undock Big smile
Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#16 - 2016-04-10 02:26:58 UTC
Though I may really enjoy Faction Warfare. I find myself more not doing Faction Warfare while in FW space and just picking fights with whoever. But I do enjoy PvP right now in frigates and destroyers. I was recently attacked due to sec status in my Vindi and it handled extremely well, made the aggressor warp off. But it's going to be a while before I fight in ships with that price tag. I would love to rat in my Vindi mostly, but once again $$$.

Also luckily I already have my cov ops cloak. I use a combat fit Astero with a mobile depot for exploration. That way I can hunt, fight, and hack all in one ship. But I really need Gallente Frigates V as it will open up a lot of opportunities. Including a SB which would be great for ratting in Null or simply just hunting ships. And as mentioned, a Helios would be much easier to lose while scouting than an Astero, so I might as well get one.

I think as far as living right now, I want a more calm system that is very close to Null. And also close to either FW space or just more populated areas. I think I found a nice area last night with a med bay I will be staying at for a bit to see how it goes.

I will say I did jump into Null for a bit in my Vexor and totally hit a gate camp. I was immediately in a warp bubble. And since that meant my inevitable death, I put up a fight against 6-8 ships for fun.

Once again, I really appreciate all the feedback and I will keep checking back for more. All of this will help me as I am moving about in the universe.
Kharamete
Royal Assent
#17 - 2016-04-10 04:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kharamete
Chris Hallen wrote:
The issue I see with being solo in Null sec is not having a POS, so being stationless. And the fact that transporting things back and forth would become yet again more difficult. You guys really think I should just skip low sec?

Most my fights so far have been in Low or WH space.


There is a section of nullsec that's like a half-way house between lowsec and nullsec. NPC space. There are regions of space, such as Venal Syndicate and Outer Ring that have NPC stations that anyone can dock in. As someone said above, you should find friends, though, who share your interest in PVP.

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Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#18 - 2016-04-10 04:40:51 UTC
Kharamete wrote:
Chris Hallen wrote:
The issue I see with being solo in Null sec is not having a POS, so being stationless. And the fact that transporting things back and forth would become yet again more difficult. You guys really think I should just skip low sec?

Most my fights so far have been in Low or WH space.


There is a section of nullsec that's like a half-way house between lowsec and nullsec. NPC space. There are regions of space, such as Venal Syndicate and Outer Ring that have NPC stations that anyone can dock in. As someone said above, you should find friends, though, who share your interest in PVP.

Eve is a terrible single player game.



So I've heard about these spots in null, but I heard because of these options they are generally gate camped and populated. But I agree, some people in my current Corp like to pvp and they will with me. But seems no one really wants to move to low at the moment and I generally find myself doing solo pvp. I'd love groups to fly with, but at the same time I find solo pvp quite thrilling. I'll have to try and make some friends.
Chris Hallen
Camp Gatecamp
#19 - 2016-04-10 05:27:56 UTC
I just want to say again I appreciate all the feedback. I've really grown to like the community in this game.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-04-10 06:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Thought about a nomadic life instead, basing out of a highsec trade hub or Thera? With good probing skills and the WH super highway you can venture into all kinds of space easily. During solo times I have my PvP clone and a dozen ships in Thera, login, check connections on eve-scout, jump-clone, and I'm out for hunting or exploring. If connections are good, I do some haul runs to/from Jita if necessary. Currently I'm staging out of Jita for the Spectre fleets and the war, and because of my industry jobs in nearby Lonetrek. Not much time for solo atm. Blink

EDIT: Regarding sec status in lowsec ... I avoid criminal podding (unless I know for sure it's a juicy one Pirate), plus while hunting for prey I kill clone soldiers for tags to restore sec status and some extra ISK.

I'm my own NPC alt.

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