EVE General Discussion

Yes it was. Then again - it wasn't exactly public. It's still just communication within a group with restricted access. I'm not saying broadcasting it to the alliance was the right thing to do, also because it doesn't serve a purpose - to me only the log for the text file he opened from reddit doesn't prove anything on it's own.

I think this was mainly oversight on the directors part.

Actually, even in Europe an IP address on it's own is not classed as personal information. Also if you want to get that deep into the legality, taking jabber pings from a protected network and posting them on the internet without permission of the networks owner is also illegal, even if they contain as mundane content as game information.

Same as that Wolfhammer dude, you are taking very big leaps. There is a difference between logging IP addresses to identify and remove security issues from your own IT infrastructure and actually attacking that IP. The former is just a normal everyday occurance and a necessity for most online services, the latter is a crime.

And yes, the IP address should not have been broadcast to the alliance. But again - it also should not have gotten leaked to the public from there.

So, to all you whiteknights, if you feel you need to criticize Twizzlespark for making the IP address known to the alliance, you need to criticize the guys leaking from there and Lemba for making private conversations public in the first place as well, because all of that is morally questionable at best.

And after all - Lemba did know this would happen, if he engaged in this activity outside of the confines of the game. He did it nonetheless. I wouldn't be surprised if he himself didn't even have a problem with this. So cut the hypocrisy and defending people who don't need to be defended.

And to the GRR GONS HAT GONS crowd: Please have a look at your "allies" and think twice about how Goons are supposed to be any worse.

uh... even in my 0.01 true sec country (D)DOS is illegal.. we have one cute "expert" in law-enforcement services trying to put botnets that attacked several government agencies in jail. Not a bit of progress though.

I've read The Mittani's declarations and i'm pretty sure Imperium will fight well and dirty with attackers, but with traitors they'll be merciless. If you are not Imperium traitor you'll safe. If you are - i do not want to know how far Imperium would go to "punish" you.

understand me well - i totally condemn Imperium strategies and tactics to ruin everyone else's game. Apparently CCP approves that so either adapt, or leave - there are alternatives.

CCP, please protect our spies from the consequences of their actions. It's so mean to call them out by finding their real identities!

Oh so a private message was sent to someone already suspected so you knew it was that person who owned the IP. Gotcha, that fills in some blanks for me. If anything that would be Reddit who would be responsible for letting it happen not CCP. Although nothing illegal was done with the information so why would they care. I'm really surprised the person was lax enough to get caught that way.

I understand why people don't like it though. Since its a game it would be nice if everything we do stays in game for balance and content reasons. Problem is that we already use more info out of game then we do in game like EFT and DOTLAN for example, so where do you draw the line of what's ok and what isn't. As long as your not using it to attack alts in game for revenge Its not really a problem. Its not like anyone is back tracing client connections from the server. Its good to know people do this type of thing for Intel reasons though.

Those people also think that DDos groups are hackers. Drives me crazy when they call them that.

Every time one of us posts something here our current IP address is logged on the web server.

What you have to remember is that wars get real messy and dirty really fast; you do what ever it takes to make sure you win them.
GSF have always played the metagame and always will.

Not only do we use these out of game resources, we need them. Take away all those nifty API tools and websites - EFT, Pyfa, Evemon, Eve-Central as well as Forums, IMs, voice tools and there wouldn't be much left of the game. Almost everything that happens in the game involves out of game communication. Imagine Fleet battles solely using Eve Voice, or several thousand man strong alliances coordinate via ingame mails and bulletins. The tools the game provides do not suffice to do these things.

Now, since we have all this infrastructure outside of the game, people will attack or abuse it, like Lemba did here, and the owners will defend against it.

I actually find this rather nice. It's this whole metagame that makes Eve. On it's own - Eve is an incomplete and pretty ****** game.

And in the end, I'd say no koreans were hurt in the making of this drama. Lemba probably has a different IP by now.