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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1921 - 2016-04-18 23:44:20 UTC
Chatarina DeBeers wrote:
Sounds like getting XP for doing stuff just like in WoW. Pretty standard tac in MORPGs, but terribly counter-productive for EvE where the only currency is ISK and (dis)honour in battle. All the rest is just hard work to counter the constant need for more ISK. When this game turns into a game about XP and not ISK and honour, I will be gone for good.

What's next? Banning people for scamming newbies? The thing that attracted me to this game was exactly how harsh it was. It's a game for grown ups, and not another WoW clone.


Quote:
Rookie Systems
CCP designate several systems as "rookie systems", consisting of the starter systems, the career agent systems, and Arnon. The canonical list is here.
"Attempting to abuse a new player’s lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems."


Yeah, it is already a thing

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#1922 - 2016-04-18 23:54:20 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Chatarina DeBeers wrote:
Sounds like getting XP for doing stuff just like in WoW. Pretty standard tac in MORPGs, but terribly counter-productive for EvE where the only currency is ISK and (dis)honour in battle. All the rest is just hard work to counter the constant need for more ISK. When this game turns into a game about XP and not ISK and honour, I will be gone for good.

What's next? Banning people for scamming newbies? The thing that attracted me to this game was exactly how harsh it was. It's a game for grown ups, and not another WoW clone.


Quote:
Rookie Systems
CCP designate several systems as "rookie systems", consisting of the starter systems, the career agent systems, and Arnon. The canonical list is here.
"Attempting to abuse a new player’s lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems."


Yeah, it is already a thing

m


Its strange not seeing the csm tag, maybe they can make something like a medal you could add to your forum toon commemorating the fact that you are an ex csm member?

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#1923 - 2016-04-19 00:22:02 UTC
CCP Rise

First you come up with the Rapid Lights Missile launcher Nerf!

Now this ****!

I think u are trying to get your self fired mate!!!!
Lelira Cirim
Doomheim
#1924 - 2016-04-19 02:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lelira Cirim
Drago Shouna wrote:
maybe they can make something like a medal you could add to your forum toon commemorating the fact that you are an ex csm member?

Off topic burble is off topic. Forum signatures are a thing.

Do not actively tank my patience.
Lelira Cirim
Doomheim
#1925 - 2016-04-19 02:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lelira Cirim
Kieron VonDeux wrote:

It can be a slippery slope and you have to admit CCP is not always totally open in regard to really why some changes are being made. At least it can seem that way.

Many changes to this game you can anticipate but many do come out of left field. Some times those changes that come out of left field really leave many players wondering why, and where this made lead us in the future.

As has been stated many times, they sold us on tradable SP with the understanding that SP weren't being spawned out of thin air, and in fact were being removed from the game via diminished returns.

Now SP are being spawned out of thin air.

Da fuq?

Do not actively tank my patience.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1926 - 2016-04-19 04:23:24 UTC
Lelira Cirim wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:

It can be a slippery slope and you have to admit CCP is not always totally open in regard to really why some changes are being made. At least it can seem that way.

Many changes to this game you can anticipate but many do come out of left field. Some times those changes that come out of left field really leave many players wondering why, and where this made lead us in the future.

As has been stated many times, they sold us on tradable SP with the understanding that SP weren't being spawned out of thin air, and in fact were being removed from the game via diminished returns.

Now SP are being spawned out of thin air.

Da fuq?


Well sold us isn't the right word

They used that to soften the I blow and put it in anyway still a lot of us that don't agree with it but wet accept is nature means they can never be removed

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1927 - 2016-04-19 04:25:37 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Azver Deroven wrote:
I'm strongly against this.

I have no way to log in every day; and as someone can check I've last logged in ages ago. I still pay in hopes to play, as well as to train skills.

And that's more than ok. It's eve; it's the MMO for people who have work or lives they can't just pop out of to go on a gaming spree. Because that kid on his year off, that has 15 hours a day, has absolutely nothing I can't scam, steal or cheat from him. And that's the biggest allure of the game to me.

The fact that I'm equal to everyone else in terms of progress.

You can make the argument that ISK can't be earned offline, or implants give an advantage but both are moot points; the amount of ISK you can farm doesn't compare to what you can acquire from others if you play your cards right. And with that money, implants are no problem.

I made my first account during Cold War; since then a lot has changed, to better or to worse (I even got to meet CCP Tallest at work, <3 those changes to caps) but this, I feel, will push the game to a direction where I feel I'm being put to a disadvantageous position by the mechanics just by the virtue of not being able to game daily. And that's bad. During all of these expansions; I don't think I've played "lol you're losing my sub!1!!one!" card, but this certainly makes it into consideration next time something comes up that could use the monthly subscription.

I'm NOT saying I WILL quit, I'm saying this is just another thing to consider when the scenario comes up. I reckon I'd be a LOT more pissy about it if I weren't in a situation where I can fly anything I can afford / want to lose. And I've no interest in capitals; as such the skill gain being slower doesn't -really- bother me personally, but far as company/game direction does, it's a huge red flag.

And before you say it; yes I'm aware that in my situation remaps and planning a year in advance make me learn a LOT quicker. But I feel that it's the direction the game is going to, rather than a single step, that we should be worried about.

Well, just my two cents and I'm probably wrong. You can now commence to tell me why I'm wrong. :P



I think they should link the dailies to the forums as well, log in 4 times a week or no forum posts.

That way we might get posts from players that actually play, rather than just skill queue online.

Or create alt after alt to protest about the same thing over and over.


Right because you can't play eve without logging inRoll

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1928 - 2016-04-19 04:43:32 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Chatarina DeBeers wrote:
Sounds like getting XP for doing stuff just like in WoW. Pretty standard tac in MORPGs, but terribly counter-productive for EvE where the only currency is ISK and (dis)honour in battle. All the rest is just hard work to counter the constant need for more ISK. When this game turns into a game about XP and not ISK and honour, I will be gone for good.

What's next? Banning people for scamming newbies? The thing that attracted me to this game was exactly how harsh it was. It's a game for grown ups, and not another WoW clone.


Quote:
Rookie Systems
CCP designate several systems as "rookie systems", consisting of the starter systems, the career agent systems, and Arnon. The canonical list is here.
"Attempting to abuse a new player’s lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems."


Yeah, it is already a thing

m



But it's not just for scamming newbies it's scamming newbies in those systems I think he was talking about scamming any newbro anyplace

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Kaskata
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1929 - 2016-04-19 05:39:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaskata
нннинадаStraight


аргументирую: я просто так шоль банками упарывался? чтоб потом дейлики ввели?Evil
lexa21
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1930 - 2016-04-19 06:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: lexa21
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1931 - 2016-04-19 06:35:47 UTC
lexa21 wrote:
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.


How harsh of you. Here comes CCP giving the 110% with Citadel and you don't like it becuse of a small last minute feature. Bear
lexa21
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1932 - 2016-04-19 06:51:36 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.


How harsh of you. Here comes CCP giving the 110% with Citadel and you don't like it becuse of a small last minute feature. Bear


I dont need fatigue, fozzie, cap rebalance, hordes of svipuls, nullifier ships while CCP have so much unsolved problems. The most serious of them is CCP doesnt play EVE. Amd im certanly shure i don`t want to see peple that come for daily quests in my fleet.
Erihn Sabrovich
#1933 - 2016-04-19 07:46:14 UTC
lexa21 wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.


How harsh of you. Here comes CCP giving the 110% with Citadel and you don't like it becuse of a small last minute feature. Bear


I dont need fatigue, fozzie, cap rebalance, hordes of svipuls, nullifier ships while CCP have so much unsolved problems. The most serious of them is CCP doesnt play EVE. Amd im certanly shure i don`t want to see peple that come for daily quests in my fleet.


Well, CCP has to rebalance the game which also means take initiative which will hurt powerblocks.

In other words, be prepared to see more changes that will affect you negatively...

Rebalancing means taking care of the SP gap... it was OK when the game only had a few years old, with 10+ years of EVE, it's not OK anymore

Rebalancing means making life hard to Powerblock so their zone of influence is shrunk damatically, to leave place for other corporations. This means other changes like the fatigue have to come.

Rebalancing means bringing lower skill ships that should be able to face the biggest (cap-sized) one, in a paper-scissor-stone way.

Rebalancing means removing T2 BPO

Rebalancing means giving things to do to PvE players

And so on...

CSM, powerblocks and older players will most probably oppose as much as they can but it'll be useless... Rebalancing is needed and CCP will do it anyway... You've to understand that you won't have a choice, these changes WILL come anyway... And pissing off the dev with empty threats, curses and other won't do anything good to you.

Another fact is that EVE is one of the few pay to play games that still remains... Many of them already switched to F2P... I hope EVE will stay pay 2 win as it somehow "protect" us from some kind of annoying players (kiddies) but CCP may already have F2P planned... If it's the case, we (players) won't be able to change that anyway.
NotTheSmartestCookie
Shooting Blues Everyday
Gimme Da Loot
#1934 - 2016-04-19 08:34:26 UTC
lexa21 wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.


How harsh of you. Here comes CCP giving the 110% with Citadel and you don't like it becuse of a small last minute feature. Bear


I dont need fatigue, fozzie, cap rebalance, hordes of svipuls, nullifier ships while CCP have so much unsolved problems. The most serious of them is CCP doesnt play EVE. Amd im certanly shure i don`t want to see peple that come for daily quests in my fleet.


These are all things that are making a positive impact on EVE, providing more freedom for small gangs and breaking the blue donut. Funny how a Goon would not like those changes. Obligatory "don't let the door hit you on your way out", "can I have your stuff" and "as your last act in EVE will you come into the light and buy a mining permit, great value at only 10m ISK"?

If CCP wants to reward (new) players with a small gift of SP for being online and active I can certainly appreciate it.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#1935 - 2016-04-19 08:43:16 UTC
Erihn Sabrovich wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.


How harsh of you. Here comes CCP giving the 110% with Citadel and you don't like it becuse of a small last minute feature. Bear


I dont need fatigue, fozzie, cap rebalance, hordes of svipuls, nullifier ships while CCP have so much unsolved problems. The most serious of them is CCP doesnt play EVE. Amd im certanly shure i don`t want to see peple that come for daily quests in my fleet.


Well, CCP has to rebalance the game which also means take initiative which will hurt powerblocks.

In other words, be prepared to see more changes that will affect you negatively...

Rebalancing means taking care of the SP gap... it was OK when the game only had a few years old, with 10+ years of EVE, it's not OK anymore

Rebalancing means making life hard to Powerblock so their zone of influence is shrunk damatically, to leave place for other corporations. This means other changes like the fatigue have to come.

Rebalancing means bringing lower skill ships that should be able to face the biggest (cap-sized) one, in a paper-scissor-stone way.

Rebalancing means removing T2 BPO

Rebalancing means giving things to do to PvE players

And so on...

CSM, powerblocks and older players will most probably oppose as much as they can but it'll be useless... Rebalancing is needed and CCP will do it anyway... You've to understand that you won't have a choice, these changes WILL come anyway... And pissing off the dev with empty threats, curses and other won't do anything good to you.

Another fact is that EVE is one of the few pay to play games that still remains... Many of them already switched to F2P... I hope EVE will stay pay 2 win as it somehow "protect" us from some kind of annoying players (kiddies) but CCP may already have F2P planned... If it's the case, we (players) won't be able to change that anyway.


And none of these are fixed with dailies

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#1936 - 2016-04-19 08:44:20 UTC
NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.


How harsh of you. Here comes CCP giving the 110% with Citadel and you don't like it becuse of a small last minute feature. Bear


I dont need fatigue, fozzie, cap rebalance, hordes of svipuls, nullifier ships while CCP have so much unsolved problems. The most serious of them is CCP doesnt play EVE. Amd im certanly shure i don`t want to see peple that come for daily quests in my fleet.


These are all things that are making a positive impact on EVE, providing more freedom for small gangs and breaking the blue donut. Funny how a Goon would not like those changes. Obligatory "don't let the door hit you on your way out", "can I have your stuff" and "as your last act in EVE will you come into the light and buy a mining permit, great value at only 10m ISK"?

If CCP wants to reward (new) players with a small gift of SP for being online and active I can certainly appreciate it.


Has nothing to do with new players and there are better ways to help them

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#1937 - 2016-04-19 08:51:28 UTC
Erihn Sabrovich wrote:
Well, CCP has to rebalance the game which also means take initiative which will hurt powerblocks.

In other words, be prepared to see more changes that will affect you negatively...

Rebalancing means taking care of the SP gap... it was OK when the game only had a few years old, with 10+ years of EVE, it's not OK anymore

Rebalancing means making life hard to Powerblock so their zone of influence is shrunk damatically, to leave place for other corporations. This means other changes like the fatigue have to come.

Rebalancing means bringing lower skill ships that should be able to face the biggest (cap-sized) one, in a paper-scissor-stone way.

Rebalancing means removing T2 BPO

Rebalancing means giving things to do to PvE players

And so on...

CSM, powerblocks and older players will most probably oppose as much as they can but it'll be useless... Rebalancing is needed and CCP will do it anyway... You've to understand that you won't have a choice, these changes WILL come anyway... And pissing off the dev with empty threats, curses and other won't do anything good to you.

Another fact is that EVE is one of the few pay to play games that still remains... Many of them already switched to F2P... I hope EVE will stay pay 2 win as it somehow "protect" us from some kind of annoying players (kiddies) but CCP may already have F2P planned... If it's the case, we (players) won't be able to change that anyway.


The purported SP gap - I am a "victim" of it. It doesn't bother me. If you want to narrow the gap between older players and newer ones, handing out free SP for dailies is the absolutely worst way to do it. Compress the skill tree so the initial skill buildup goes down from ~20m to 10? I don't know, but it will be a much better solution.

Smaller ships can already face biggert ones. Several battleships can beat a carrier. Sieged dreads are pretty vulnerable if you bring a Bhaalgorn and some DPS, etc. etc.

T2 BPOs provide nowhere near the demand of the modules they produce. They're mostly just a blip on the landscape, unless it's some niche item that nobody buys anyway.

As for older players - you've got it backwards. It's not bittervets opposing changes like these. Well, not entirely. It's changes like these that created bittervets out of the people that oppose them.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#1938 - 2016-04-19 13:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
lexa21 wrote:
del.

Since 2014 EVE was getting worse and worse with every patch. Its time to leave.


How harsh of you. Here comes CCP giving the 110% with Citadel and you don't like it becuse of a small last minute feature. Bear


In context it is not a 'small' feature. It is in fact bigger than any citadel.

If it was small how come it is larger than the npc tax change thread?
Explain that one.

Erihn Sabrovich wrote:

CSM, powerblocks and older players will most probably oppose as much as they can but it'll be useless... Rebalancing is needed and CCP will do it anyway... You've to understand that you won't have a choice, these changes WILL come anyway... And pissing off the dev with empty threats, curses and other won't do anything good to you.

If it's the case, we (players) won't be able to change that anyway.


What a sad way to look at things.

Its us who make eve, not the other way round, not anymore.

CCP should have learned this from Incarna and Greed is Good, the players certainly had the power to make them look again regarding those things. This attempt to announce something between CSM terms has not gone unnoticed here, I know what you are doing, attempting to foister this trash on us.

Azver Deroven wrote:
During all of these expansions; I don't think I've played "lol you're losing my sub!1!!one!" card, but this certainly makes it into consideration next time something comes up that could use the monthly subscription.


Theres a Warhammer 40k mmo in a playable alpha atm headed by a certain ex-CCP guy [CCP Oveur] called Eternal Crusade. It might not have the complexity of eve or wormholes, however for me shooting things in the face never gets tired and chance to play as a Night Lord in potential Planetside 2 like, mass map setting certainly gets my juices flowing.
X Mayce
South Sun Industries
Brave Collective
#1939 - 2016-04-19 14:16:28 UTC
What are you guys all complaining about.

For those who can log in daily it's a few free sp, for those who can't or are too lazy to do it -> ignore it

3650000 SP more per year, why not?

but as some people here stated already, why not offering the chance to actively gather SP by doing stuff, instead of permanently waiting for it, it already started with the skill injectors.

Don't always instantly cry against changes, consider all sites and please stop comparing WoW with EVE, I played WoW for 9 years and it has nothing to do with EVE.

Regards
Mayce

Manson Family

Advent of Fate
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#1940 - 2016-04-19 14:22:16 UTC
X Mayce wrote:
What are you guys all complaining about.

For those who can log in daily it's a few free sp, for those who can't or are too lazy to do it -> ignore it

3650000 SP more per year, why not?

but as some people here stated already, why not offering the chance to actively gather SP by doing stuff, instead of permanently waiting for it, it already started with the skill injectors.

Don't always instantly cry against changes, consider all sites and please stop comparing WoW with EVE, I played WoW for 9 years and it has nothing to do with EVE.

Regards
Mayce


You just dont get it...

Ignore it? hmmm when i was on sisi i was instantly reminded about the new daily, so i hid it, undocked then redocked again and there it was again, unhidden, kinda hard to ignore something that is designed to annoy you

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