EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hello,

I'm a new player.

I'm using a alt, knowing how agressive is (part of this) this community, but I want to share my honest opinion.

Isn't this wardec system making many players to quit?

When I am wardecced, and it's almost always, leaders tell me to stay docked....

So my alternative is:

- Stay docked for weeks while paying for a subscription (?!?!?!?)

- Leave the corp, leaving my friends in order to be able to use my shipo in hisec.

- Go to live in nullsec or in a wormhole.

Maybe I'll have this post close for ranting, but I really don't see a sense in this.

If developers don't want persons to have a """"safe""""" (not so safe actually, let's say decently safe) hi-sec they should remove it totally and make this universe all null-sec.

To have a high sec and force players to leave corps with their friends inside to still be able to have a hisec seems so so stupid to me and causing many newbies like me in particular to deem this game a unpleasurable one to play.

Curious to know others opinion about this wardec system, preferibly not only the opinion of pirates so happy to cause disconfort to new players or to players that want to have both a hisec and a low sec.

Well, once citadels are patched in, they'll eventually replace all NPC ones with player ones (like the pocos) and you'll get your wish.

So yes, they don't want a safe high-sec. Or a crowded high-sec; they'd much rather you spend a couple weeks as a newbie and then get the **** out and play the game they intended for you to play in low or null.

it's in the name of the game. EVE = Everyone V Everyone. (in other words: Yes.)



No, you won't be a legendary PvP player in a couple of weeks.

But, spend some time learning to PvP and you'll also quickly learn how to avoid PvP if that is your desire. There are tricks that will get you through any HS/LS gatecamp. There are tricks that will get you through any 0.0 gatecamp. There are ways to avoid wardeccers and still get your stuff shifted (protip: an Alt character in an NPC corp using the MWD/Cloak trick will never, ever get ganked hauling in HiSec).

One other thing: the most valuable commodities in this game are Friendship and Trust. No amount of ISK or SP can do as much for you as having a couple of mates watching your back.

Okay... so... I'm going to TRY and be gentle about this...

FANFEST 2015: Using Science to Help Newbros

tldr: the DEVs ran some statistics and found that people who get blown up early on tend to play the game longer.
Now while correlation does not equal causation... it is still pretty interesting and somewhat throws a wrench in the argument that newbies need to kept "safe" from the rest of the game.

Speaking frankly... the new player (and high-sec) experience in the past was FAR more brutal (more so than when I started playing back in 2009). You were literally given a ship, some mildly confusing walls of text in 8-size font within little pop-up boxes, and then left to fend for yourself.
More than that...
- suicide ganking was cheaper
- wars were MUCH cheaper (some 2 million ISK a week) and did not have all the restrictions they have now

And yet players kept coming to play EVE.

Now

I can confirm what Memphis Bass has said.

High-sec was never intended to be "safe." At least... not in the sense you are thinking of (see: "absolute safety")
It was meant to be relatively safe compared to low-sec... which is relatively safe compared to null-sec.


Working in reverse:

If you fly around in null-sec..
- You can be shot at and killed by everyone and anyone.
- The only "rules" and "safety" you have are those you can enforce with your own weapons, cunning, and tactical decisions.

If you fly around in low-sec...
- You can be shot at and killed by everyone and anyone.
- However those who do this will take a "penalty" that will make life and logistics a little harder (see: NPCs will chase them in High-sec and taking too many penalties will make you a global "Kill on Sight" target to every player).
- Some of the more... "deathtrap" style mechanics that work in null-sec won't work in low-sec.

If you fly around in high-sec...
- You can be shot and killed by everyone and anyone. However those who do this will take a BIG "penalty" that will not only make life and logistics a little harder, but will also cost them a ship (see: suicide ganking always results in the offender's ship dying).
- "Deathtrap" style mechanics that work in null-sec will not work in High-sec.
- Wars allow you to shoot people without carrying the above penalties... but costs a pretty penny. More than that... the defending corporation/alliance gets 24 hours notice to prepare, can hire "allies" to assist, and can only last for a week... unless the aggressing corporation pays double the previous week's war fee.



1. I have played the game for 7 years. I am the definition of a veteran. And there is quite a bit about this game that I am STILL pretty stupid about.

2. Just because you don't know of a solution... it does not mean there is no solution.
I can list a few ways you can fight back... if you are willing to try.



Pro-tip: Don't focus on how expensive a ship is relative to your own. There are ways for 5 million ISK ships to kill hundred or even billion ISK ships.

It all comes down to this; what is your opponent's ship good at? What is it not good at? Choose a ship that takes aim at what is it not good at.
Every ship has a weakness. Or an area it does not excel in at the very least. The rest is planning and tactics.


Well... what do you think he was like when he started the game? He was not born with the knowledge. He accumulated it. Watched what others did, how they did it, and then applied it.

PvP-vets are not supernatural beings that are are subject to a different set of rules or mechanics. They learned what they know the hard way; by getting killed by players better than themselves.


Pro-tip: Don't try to "beat" the Formula 1 driver at his own game. He will win. Instead... fight dirty. Throw tacks on the road, get your friends together and run him off the road in your little hatchbacks. The F1 driver may still win the race, but you can make it as painful and frustrating as possible. And that can go a long way towards ensuring your (and your group's) long term safety.

For example:
You can royally **** off an experienced player by swarming an expensive, OMGWTFBBQ ship with a small group of ECM-fit Griffins. And hey... if you die you get a fair bit of insurance money that will allow you to keep doing this.
Do this enough and the aggressing player may see your group as "not worth his/her time."

You need to take a look through the new player FAQ, start at page 21.

re-quoting for truth.



YES.

Yes it is 'working as intended'.

See the above.

i'm out. good luck.

Yeah wardecs are pretty stupid.

It depends on what you like ofc but I play around highsec when wardecced, literally around like I only travel when I absolutely have to. I use couriers to get me supplies and ofc play where the highsec bad guys won't go.

I've lived in C1's, null and lowsec through wardecs. I think a quiet pocket or pipe in low is easiest and there's also highest chances for wormhole connections I believe so sending any loot to trade hubs is easy if you can get it to any highsec system.

leave corp ad join one that is not afraid of wardecs and who will teach you eve

Memphis was so much stating personal opinion as reiterating dev posts and fanfest presentations. Essentially what Memphis posted here is a summary of what Devs have said over the years in relation to this topic.

not beat them all in a fight no. But learn how to get around them or scout them out and bait them into a trap that you can win yes.

What you should probably know is that any high sec corp that is recruiting and advertising is going to attract the attention of wardecers. I agree that it is a poor mechanic but it is what it is. Once you get away from those corps the war decs mostly disappear. You'll have to go find a corp on your own to get away from it. Any corp openly recruiting new pilots and especially a corp without an API check that lives in high sec is going to be permanently war deced. I moved to null sec to get away from PvP and was surprised to see how easy it was to avoid PvP in null sec.

The whole game is not as you are experiencing now. There is just a large group of players in this game that like to victimize very new pilots. Learn how to not advertise yourself as one of those and the whole game changes.
The point of the eveiseasy youtube channel is the exact opposite. It's not to imply that a brand new pilot can pwn but that a brand new character can. He's showing you that the game is not about skill points. You need to learn the game to be good at it. You can buy a 200 million skill point character and still get your ass handed to you as a new player. That I believe is the point of those videos