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New to exploration - Fitting advice for DED sites
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Ryan Horne
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-04-05 20:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryan Horne
Hey everyone,

I've just returned to the game after about a 3yr break so I'm a bit rusty on fittings.

I'm wanting to try some content new to me and have decided on exploration. Currently I'm getting a feel for my new low-sec home running Data sites. Eventually I would like to try my hand at combat sites with a Loki I had prior to my break.

I've put together a fitting and looking for some feedback. I'll be running DED sites in low-sec, primarily Blood Raiders.

Fitting - https://o.smium.org/loadout/71255


624 DPS - 30K EHP / 480 DPS Rep - Cap Stable w/ Boosters / 23 Sec - 752m/s

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Shield Boost Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator I

Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding

Hobgoblin II x5

I would like to keep modules t2 if possible to keep my cost down.

I'm also not clear on a general number to have for tank/dps running up to 6/10s. My idea with this fit is to stay at range sniping with artys, sending drones after frigs that get to close to track. I went with the ancillary booster because I'm hoping I wont actually need to run it non-stop.

Thanks in advance for any advice on the fitting, glad to be back in EVE!

-Ryan

Edit: I'm also open to other ships! Currently I am almost exclusively trained into minmatar and projectile turrets but with the new skill extraction I'm open to changing to missiles if they're better.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2016-04-05 21:23:48 UTC
So for some reason part of your fit is just plain missing. I've tried to fill in the gaps; you can confirm:

[Loki, forum BR]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Hobgoblin II x5

I'm not quite seeing the damage you quoted but it's closeish. And the raw damage seems fine enough. My concern is range on that setup; I'm seeing 19+43. As a *general* rule of thumb one of the major criteria I use to assess 5-6/10 fits is range at 50-60km. At that range, my preferred Legion fit for BR pumps out 530-570 DPS; this Loki does 200-400 (the latter number at 50 including drones). That makes it workable, but not particularly great for keeping range.

So is that a problem? Maybe. It's going to hurt you more in 5/10s, where pulling range in the second room and then having enough range to murder the overseer in the third range (before you warp off flaming) is quite important in a fit like this. In 6/10s it's less of an issue, but if you know the BR 6/10 well you might realize that you're going to be either moving verrrry slowly to keep in range -- slowly enough that that ASB might not be adequate -- of waiting an awfully long time for BSs to come into your kill range.

Unfortunately, I don't really have any good advice to get around that with a Loki. I don't like them for this purpose. You can make a metric ton from relic sites in null in a pretty quick Loki, but combat fitting... I'm just not sold.

Now, there are still options. If you have large projectiles, a Tornado works better than you might expect.
Ryan Horne
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-04-05 21:32:19 UTC
Hey Zhilia Mann, thanks for the info!

You filled in the mods correctly. I may try out running sites in null eventually but for now I feel safer in low-sec.

Would you be willing to share your legion fit? I may end up re-allocating my skills for something more effective.

Also if I were to move my skills around, what ship would you recommend is the best for BR?

Thanks again!

-Ryan
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2016-04-06 19:10:21 UTC
The one I actually use looks like this:

[Legion, bloods beams speriment]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

A plausible T2 version might look like this:

[Legion, bloods beams T2 version]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized EM Membrane II
Energized Thermal Membrane II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Obviously my fit isn't cheap, but it's under a billion. The heat sinks make a big difference. Fitting is damn tight either way. The additional repping power should be plenty to get you through, say, room 3 in the 5/10 or an error running the 6/10.
Ryan Horne
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-04-07 17:30:18 UTC
This looks great, I'll see what I can do about moving SP around or training up to it one day.

Thanks again for all the info!
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#6 - 2016-04-13 07:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Have you tried a Munnin?

As far as I'm concerned its pretty much better in every way. The Loki does get 23 more DPS. (Edit - 44 More DPS, OP was using T1 ammo)

1. Better Optimal Range. (29+36 vs 17+33)
2. Better tracking (extra 7.5% per level)
3. Better lock Range.
4. Can fit a T2 cloak (More scan res and easier cloak/MWD)
5. Cheaper
6. No Cap Charges
7. Great Tank without Crystals)


[Muninn, PVE Sansha]
True Sansha Armor Thermal Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II

Hobgoblin II x5