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Used BPOs can't be sold on the market
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-04-05 20:15:43 UTC
... just figured this unfortunate and non obvious restriction, when I tried to sell a BPO used for copying (only). I would understand that researched BPOs get flagged, because they are modified, but creating a copy or manufacture from a BPO should not ...

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pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#2 - 2016-04-05 20:23:25 UTC
That is kind of strange, I wonder if that is working as intended?

Although I rarely do anything but research my bp's and then contract for sale.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2016-04-05 21:28:36 UTC
Yup. That's how it works. As soon as a BPO is unpackaged it can never be packaged again because for whatever arcane reason the system can't tell what's been done to it. And that includes copying.
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#4 - 2016-04-06 06:38:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Shayla Etherodyne
Tipa Riot wrote:
... just figured this unfortunate and non obvious restriction, when I tried to sell a BPO used for copying (only). I would understand that researched BPOs get flagged, because they are modified, but creating a copy or manufacture from a BPO should not ...



It has been that way for years. You can't repackage a BPO, so it can't go back to the market. you can sell it in contracts.


Zhilia Mann wrote:
Yup. That's how it works. As soon as a BPO is unpackaged it can never be packaged again because for whatever arcane reason the system can't tell what's been done to it. And that includes copying.



All items on market should be in pristine conditions. Repackaging would clear the research done. probably in the far past someone thought it was too easy to lose the work done because of a wrong click and blocked that possibility.

I recall a old Dev post, there was a potential problem with BPC as BPO and BPC share the data. Probably there was a possible exploit with repackaging BPC.
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#5 - 2016-04-06 22:35:07 UTC
I wonder if that is why we can't have a BPC market on the, well, market.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-04-07 11:17:58 UTC
Tzar Sinak wrote:
I wonder if that is why we can't have a BPC market on the, well, market.

Likely related technically in this case, but concept-wise this is a separate story.

IMO there is no reason why BPOs can't be repacked even if they lose their modifications ... why do we have "data loss" popups? There are more dangerous activities guarded by a confirmation dialog, like jumping to lowsec. Blink

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Fatthid Yassavi
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-04-14 07:10:37 UTC
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why do we have "data loss" popups


Precisely. It has to be something other than protection form "accidentally repackaging and losing research". After all, the same thing happens with rigs on ships... no-one decided that you can't repackage ships because you lose rigs. They added a popup and that's it.
Capsups
Atomic Mangocorp
#8 - 2016-04-14 07:22:23 UTC
Tzar Sinak wrote:
I wonder if that is why we can't have a BPC market on the, well, market.

It's definitely a technical limitation when it comes to BPCs. Repackaged items are different from the unpackaged items. Repackaged items all share the same ItemID which means you can't have attributes per instance of the item so there's no way to store remaining runs for example.

As for BPOs, this means that to repackage an researched BPO you would always have to repackage it back into a pristine edition, meaning all research gets removed. I imagine it's a game design decision not to allow you to do this, just because it makes no sense to want to destroy research on a BPO just so you can use the market as an avenue of selling, when the forums and contracts works just fine for selling your researched BPOs. And from there it's just to make the experience the same for unresearched BPOs.

I suggest you sell your BPOs on contracts. There's loads of buyers around.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9 - 2016-04-16 10:39:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Tipa Riot wrote:
There are more dangerous activities guarded by a confirmation dialog, like jumping to lowsec. Blink

That's not dangerous.

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Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
#10 - 2016-04-16 15:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Fourteen Maken
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Yup. That's how it works. As soon as a BPO is unpackaged it can never be packaged again because for whatever arcane reason the system can't tell what's been done to it. And that includes copying.


if it was repackaged by mistake you'd lose all the research on it, i like it the way it is.

EDIT I often right click repackage all, and stack all to tidy up my inventory. I don't want this to be changed to suit a few edge cases, just sell bpo's on contract like everyone else.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-04-16 21:53:20 UTC
Fourteen Maken wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Yup. That's how it works. As soon as a BPO is unpackaged it can never be packaged again because for whatever arcane reason the system can't tell what's been done to it. And that includes copying.


if it was repackaged by mistake you'd lose all the research on it, i like it the way it is.

EDIT I often right click repackage all, and stack all to tidy up my inventory. I don't want this to be changed to suit a few edge cases, just sell bpo's on contract like everyone else.

Yeah, that's a good point ... BTW that reminds me of an incident where I accidently repackaged all my stuff in Jita ... including the station containers ... what a mess. Ugh

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