EVE General Discussion

I can't decide if this qualifies as Sealioning. Probably.

Sealioning by proxy? Third-party narrative Sealioning?

Post-structuralist Sealioning!

The way you see Eve and the way he sees it is different, that's all, he's not misleading anyone based on how he sees the game, you have a completely different POV. There is truth in both of what you said, however I tend to agree more with what he said. However, for it to be like he said, one has to take some initiative, something most people are not capable of which leads them to the opinions you have. It's his page, he has the right to moderate it as he sees fit.

I see the OP has some thoughtful posts but let's be honest here....




If I had a dollar for every time, regardless of the topic, I saw someone or myself (and at times did it myself) threw an accusation of paying/being paid by some entity to make something look like something else that it's not through outrights or at the least obfuscation of the truth, I could buy all the Hakarl in Iceland. (Why would I want to, right?)

So I would expect that things soured when you said that. Your points and the counterpoints regarding the opportunities of new players and their potential involvement in the war could have been debated on the normal debate vector, but the assertion of being on some payroll to deceive sent the conversation in a direction that was unproductive.

While I would not have started censoring posts, simply not replying to such a thing would have been in order.

The worst part of this is a debatable point about NPE and the involvement of new players this "great war" is missed. I don't disagree with some of your points.

In fact, the difficulty of new players to break into nullsec PVP, in the ways of olde, is an old problem and it was one of the reasons why this war is happening.

Which alliance was it that was always noob friendly and even offered them free ships? Yes, the (then named) CFC. While the other alliances and corps required "stats or GTFO", it was goons who were open to noobs and their ranks swelled.

So you get what we have here today.

Does the problem persist? I don't know. SP injection makes it a moot point, but raw experience is still king. "Stats or GTFO" may become even more of a problem.

Back around 2008-2010 the getting into a corp thing (and out of highsec) was a huge problem for many players who wanted to. Look at where we are now. And how many became highsec deccer mercs or gankers too?

But if this problem is not addressed, or perhaps even taken advantage of, and we go back to the days of noobs being locked up in highsec grinding away for SP (you still need to pay for those injectors) and ISK "for 2 years" and then getting bored out of the game, then Imperium or some offshoot of it will start taking advantage of that and we'll be back to this square again someday.

The Allies might want to consider opening up some noob wings or something like that and let the new players and even those who are not well versed but are returning for this war in before the goons do. This is not a "war for stats" it's a war for space, and so what if you use up and enemy's ammo giving them more cannon fodder to shoot at? I don't think new players would mind being cannon fodder - heck they might even enjoy it unlike bittervets like myself who will complain about how much ISK the ship cost or get distracted by the "I'm not making ISK" cancer.

I mean, it's not like CCP just highlighted a 3-day newbie's post on Reddit about his experience being in these ~top tier~ fights.

Nope.

~Top tier~ right here boys, only the best may apply and fly in these exclusive events.

The internet is not a democracy and YouTube videos remain the property of the author/uploader to do with as they wish concerning comments. Censoring, deleting or even disallowing any at all. It's his decision whether to erase your comments just as it would be yours if you got off your lazy ass and became an uploader instead of a YT critic.

Whining about it just makes you look like an entitled, self important ****.

Mr Epeen

There isn't some conspiracy by CCP to lure new players into the game by paying off content creators to lie about EVE for them.

People enjoy EVE and want to see it become popular, and may gloss-over some of the more negative aspects of the game. That's all.

Occam's Razor, my friend.

The comments on the application link to snuff, just hilarious. Not that any would take me, but the link is the exact reason I would never be a part of something like that.

If I wanted another job, I would get one that pays RL currency. My short time in lawn provided my feelings for large alliances, when it feels like work......it is.

Fake noob spotted. And not even a good one. vºv

It is very easy to forget how is this game when you start for the first time. Specially when you don't have any contact with real noobs.Thus the average fake noob report looks like someone saying "Then the pilot lost consciouness but a cool guy was on the radio and I landed that Diamond DA42 without any previous flight experience, and it was a bit scary but oh my what insane fun!".

Yeah...

The fact you put this paragraph in BOLD is pretty much the definition of irony.

i even logged off of my alt to post this :P

I am, and always have strongly agreed with the thought that anyone, regardless of age or skill can contribute in a fight, just look at when goons originally started, mostly just flying swarms of frigs and cruisers in to battles, at the end of the day a 1 day old nublet in a rifter with a warp scrambler can help turn the tide of a massive battle, sure i'm not going to say a 1 day old character can fit high end combat fits but i CAN contribute to any fight in EVE even if its only in a tiny way, i doubt he says a 1 day old character can single handedly win the fight but he is NOT wrong when he says anyone can join in and fight