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[Citadel] Higgs Anchor Rigs and Interdiction Nullification

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Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-04-01 15:58:31 UTC
I can accept this change, because it still leaves the option to roll a hole with a 100MN Yacht. It'll just take a lot longer to do it, but with enough of them you can still mass holes. If the only choices are doing this in the face of a gang you can't possibly fight - it's giving them an option, rather than just POS up or log off for the day.

It'll give more time for the invaders to set up some kind of attempt to catch the Yachts or bring ships to roll prematurely and trap them, or try to decloak them with capitals and target with remote sensor boosters.


Iam Cloaked
Warcrows
Shattered Foundations
#22 - 2016-04-01 17:05:03 UTC
Goons + W-space = bad, mmkay?
Domminique Francon
Contorta Redux
#23 - 2016-04-01 17:44:30 UTC
Will we be able to unfit the rigs then?
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2016-04-01 18:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Chesterfield Fancypantz
Honestly, I wanted yachts nerfed as much as anyone and I am okay with that.

I feel that the t3s getting nerfed at the same time is heavy handed. I felt that they were in a good place with the risk of being caught not impossible, and expensive/sp loss etc.

I think that the correct change was to pull nullification off of the yacht itself and leave t3's alone. I also proposed that t3s should have their align time increased a bit to make them easier to catch.

This is heavy handed, and in reality all it means is that everyone will just have MORE alts, and make MORE passes, and waste more of our time.
Alexhandr Shkarov
Theoretical Mass
Critical Effect
#25 - 2016-04-01 19:30:24 UTC
Or you know,

Commit more ISK and fight for the connection if it's contested. Which you used to do, Chester.

All my posts are on my personal title and should not be confused as me speaking for anyone else.

Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-04-01 20:02:58 UTC
thats cute. but from what i read. the collapsing happens during no combat activities. so this change is pointless unless you plan on gate camping the wh permanently.

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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#27 - 2016-04-01 20:07:18 UTC
Dewey Cheetham wrote:
April fool's day change.



You realize Fozzie has a penchant for posting on April first, but none have been jokes.

He is setting us up for a doozie
Alyssia Benar
Disturbing Silence
Disturbing Silence.
#28 - 2016-04-01 20:14:09 UTC
If this is going live, THANK YOU Fozzie!
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#29 - 2016-04-02 00:41:46 UTC
Domminique Francon wrote:
Will we be able to unfit the rigs then?


Yes, you can destroy them.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2016-04-02 04:46:33 UTC
Hah! Intentionally collapsing holes is terrible and you should feel bad for your carebear ways.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Aluka 7th
#31 - 2016-04-02 08:54:40 UTC
Remove Data Sheet requirement for Copying Higgs rig BPOs!!
This was removed for all other rigs before Higgs existed and somehow it got back into game with Higgs BPO introduction. Probably copy paste error from old database.
Ruby Burke
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-04-02 11:03:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruby Burke
I'm not convinced this will be enough since people might just roll without higgs rigs in their yachts, but at least it's a change that also affects rolling T3s and not just yachts. I'm holding my breath for now and we'll see how it'll work out I guess...
Narthe Raytei
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-04-03 14:31:11 UTC
So now instead of rolling 70m mass, they roll 60m.... as they can still fit a 100mn.

gg CCP you really thought that one through.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#34 - 2016-04-03 19:48:25 UTC
i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.

Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you.
1. open fitting window
2. rip the higgs rig
3. peace out

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Ruby Burke
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-04-05 09:34:01 UTC
Tim Nering wrote:
i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.

Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you.
1. open fitting window
2. rip the higgs rig
3. peace out

=\


Yes, with medium higgs only costing ~1 million isk or so that is not even an expensive thing to do... especially since you only have to do it if a bubble is actually up.
XSANATOS
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-04-08 11:21:31 UTC
To change the ability to fit a higgs anchor on a luxury yacht and not be able to fly nullified its okay, but to remove this ability from T3´s is bad, the risk to use a T3 with higgs anchor is much bigger, a yacht cost 100m and you dont loose a skill if you die, using a T3 cost +-500m ISK and loosing a skill if you get catched should be enough effort to be able to fly nullified with higgs anchor.

Anyways, if you can jump through a wormhole and you can just destroy the higgs anchor in the time you are cloak after jump its not a solution for this because guys just adapt this ability and will have enough higgs anchor riggs to refit with them.

The only thing i see here is risk vs. reward with yacht rolling wormholes is almost zero risk at all.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#37 - 2016-04-08 13:05:30 UTC
Tim Nering wrote:
i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.

Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you.
1. open fitting window
2. rip the higgs rig
3. peace out

=\


You cannot unfit a rig without a mobile depot or SMA.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Winthorp
#38 - 2016-04-08 13:29:11 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Tim Nering wrote:
i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.

Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you.
1. open fitting window
2. rip the higgs rig
3. peace out

=\


You cannot unfit a rig without a mobile depot or SMA.


LOL, lay off the crack pipe son.

You can do it without any of that, you can even do it cloaked.
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-04-10 17:01:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ransu Asanari
Someone brought up a good point that we may want to take into account with the rolling T3 Strategic Cruisers. I'm not sure if there is a rebalance of the T3 Cruisers that will address this, but I thought I'd bring up this scenario.

We may want to consider making it impossible to fit the Interdiction Nullification subsystem if a Higgs anchor is fitted. The reason, is that you can warp to a hostile hole (if it's not bubbled both sides), run the 100MN AB, jump through, then destroy your Higgs anchor and warp off cloaked and nullified on the side the fleet has hole control.

Then just Mobile Depot, put another Higgs rig on, and repeat. This won't be a problem with the Yachts, because they won't have the cargo space to fit a stack of Higgs anchor rigs. But the rig is only 10m3, so a rolling T3 could hold a stack of them easily.

This is still slightly worked around by carrying the subsystems and refitting on the fly, but it'll be a lot harder if the Interdiction Nullification subsystem can't be fit at all, because it'll take up more space in the cargo.
XSANATOS
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-04-11 11:07:10 UTC
Ransu Asanari wrote:
Someone brought up a good point that we may want to take into account with the rolling T3 Strategic Cruisers. I'm not sure if there is a rebalance of the T3 Cruisers that will address this, but I thought I'd bring up this scenario.

We may want to consider making it impossible to fit the Interdiction Nullification subsystem if a Higgs anchor is fitted. The reason, is that you can warp to a hostile hole (if it's not bubbled both sides), run the 100MN AB, jump through, then destroy your Higgs anchor and warp off cloaked and nullified on the side the fleet has hole control.

Then just Mobile Depot, put another Higgs rig on, and repeat. This won't be a problem with the Yachts, because they won't have the cargo space to fit a stack of Higgs anchor rigs. But the rig is only 10m3, so a rolling T3 could hold a stack of them easily.

This is still slightly worked around by carrying the subsystems and refitting on the fly, but it'll be a lot harder if the Interdiction Nullification subsystem can't be fit at all, because it'll take up more space in the cargo.



For sure you whrote that because you dont like that i close Thera all the time if its close to my home ^^ But i tell you, it will change nothing, because when this changes are coming then i just take 10 closing yachts accounts without higgs and close it anyways...
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