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Experienced players suggesting a carrier will be webbing with an NSA running? Top kek sir, TOP KEK.

Your meme is bad, and you should feel bad. Nobody suggested this. My entire linking of that reddit post was to illustrate that with some tracking links, a carrier can volley ships as they undock (typically smaller ships). This is a big problem in lowsec, something you know nothing of, as you are ill-informed.

These are issues none of you have faced, because all you do is station spin all day until your FC tells you there is something to kill.

And this is coming from experienced players, with more kills than you, more small gang kills than you, more carrier kills than you, and generally know a lot more about the game mechanics surrounding carriers than you do. If you were less of a forum warrior, and more of an eve warrior, you would know a lot more.

You run one cycle of NSA and use the web afterwards. Do you not know how to fly a carrier?

And the guy that "debunked" that says carriers lock way too quick, and NSA needs to be cut back. Or did you cherry pick as well?

Isn't the cycle time of the NSA 60 seconds? Wouldn't your web be a bit late by then?

Name calling AGAIN.. "Everything" I had heard about you must be wrong.

So by your logic, Rattlesnakes, T3D's, Mordus ship line - Should all be removed from the game Because they can instablap a small ship - Get over yourself. Six months from now (when those who want to adapt and learn have done so) carriers will be getting killed faster than they did before Citadel. You want to fly small ships against carriers - Deal with what they will do to you, don't ask for them to be nerfed to suit your play style.

> "All I want CCP to do" is nerf carriers enough so they are easier to kill with a small unprepared group.

Aside from that - How fukin stupid are you - You change the explosion radius of the rocket attack you reduce the amount of damage (alpha, as that all's they have going for them) they can do. They have basically the same attributes (after skills) as Faction Heavy Missiles - Are you now saying Faction Heavy Missiles are too strong? Do you not understand how missiles work?

They are the most expensive "ammo" in the game, they die easily, are easily countered by normal game play (ECM etc) and to get full advantage from them, take a fukin long time to train into.
And you want them nerfed simply because you can't deal with a ship that has only ONE role - Killing Subcaps.

Why can't you just actually play the new meta instead of coming up with as many excuses as you can for Devs to nerf the only thing carriers have going for them is your answer (oh and calling anyone who disagrees with you childish school yard names. Not really appropriate, unless you know your on the losing end of an argument and it is all you have left).

Svipuls kill more ships everyday on TQ than carriers and can fight ships 2 or 3 classes above them - Carriers kill small ships relatively easily and just die to anything in their own class with no way too defend themselves - Grow up, stop whining about something that is competitive against you and adapt.

The poor me, they come and kill me, is something I would expect to hear from a week old character because he doesn't know any better - You should..

NB; Light fighters don't "instablap" anything that is prepared for the fight - Bad fleet comp is no reason too blame others.
You take a Caracal fleet out and meet a Cerb fleet you should expect to die - This is how Eve works, Dscan, Logi and many other things are an amazing counter to being dropped on by something that may "instablap" your little ships.
*maybe we need to nerf blops because when used right (as intended) they just blap small ships off the field.

Lets just settle this - How many small ships, that if you get your way carriers won't be able to kill, do you think it should take to kill a ship that is (was) specifically designed to kill them?

Just how far do we go with making Eve into a game that suits your ideals of - It can't instantly kill me?


Funny though, most of the fights I've seen where a carrier drops on small ships, the carrier ends up a lossmail due to escalation (5 blops, logi legion, rapier and arazu = dead carrier) - Repeating - This is Eve, there is nothing "fair" about it.
You want "fair play" go play Farmville; Eve is about overcoming and adapting, not nerfing because "I died".

but i thought the issue was being alphaed off the ubdock in small ships? what are you doing sitting there sor 60s?

besides if anything your issue is not with the fighter bass tracking but with how much tracking the omnis give

problem is if you change the base application you hurt the shield tanks more then if you just change the omnis.


anyway the main issue is the e-war is not working on them like it should and yes that is a problem. lets not try to fix them around a bug lets get the bugs fixed first


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i would also accept a lowering of the scan res on fighters and even disabling warp/jump on a carrier using an NSA (not movement however)

Well yes I managed to kill them - they were bad and using T1 fighters. Was pretty close at a few points. You either face tank the fighters or jam them. Carriers are very killable. Never said they weren't.

I just believe the radius of the missile attack is too accurate, (something between 150-200m would be perfect), and the gun attack is way too inaccurate (around 100-120m would be good). The alpha strike should be there, because it's what makes carriers epic. It's just I feel the alpha strike applies too well for an unsupported capital ship. These things should trash the mwd shield extended kiting orthrus/gila meta, but should have a little tougher time killing an interceptor going 5k m/s with 60 sig (I took a MSE stilletto to armor in one volley), or say a low sig AB cruiser.

And the nados shouldn't be nerfed because you need support and you'd have an entire fleet really to do it. You only need one ship with the carrier. That's a silly comparison.

And when your numbers are less than 15-20, you do need such a fleet. That is, assuming the carrier pilots know what they're doing, which is a rare occurrence, as demonstrated by my beheading of those thanatos. And the ships I killed them in were RR fit and worth a fair amount of isk, on of the fleet comps I run.

And "dropping x many carriers until fleet is dead" is merely a matter of perspective. Three unsupported carriers seem to be a bit much for anything under 15 guys. Tackling a carrier in null it's just "light cyno on tackled carrier, in jumps 2-3 more, wrecks everything." It should be a bit more in-depth than simply that. A logi supported brick T3 dessie gang shouldn't just get completely trashed by 2 carriers that are properly fit/unsupported.

MY DEAR FRIEND, DONT WASTE YOUR BREATH ON THESE F1 WARRIORS, OR SHIP SPINNERS. THIS CARRIER CHANGE GIVES THEM THE BALLS TO BLAP SMALL GANG PVP TO THE GROUND. THE PROBLEM RESIDES WITH CCP, IGNORING THE FACT OF THE OUTCOME OF SUCH BUFFS. DRONES GOING 10,000MPS, WITH INSANE DPS AND TRACKING, AND LOCK SPEED. WHAT HAPPENED TO THI IS EVE, NO RISK NO REWARD. BUY A CARRIER, JOIN A BLOB THAT HAS A CITADEL, SIT AT UNDOCK, AND BLAP THINGS THAT ARE 1000KM AWAY FROM YOU. DONT WASTE YOUR BREATH. THIS SHITE IS BROKEN, IT WAS BROKEN THE FIRST DAY, IT IS STILL BROKEN, AND IT WILL BE F((((( BROKEN UNTIL THE FAT HOBBIT, AND THE GOING BALD, HIDE WITH A HAT HOBBIT, FIX WHAT THEY BROKE. ITS NOT WORTH PLAYING EVE ANYMORE. ROAM FOR 15+ JUMPS, FIND A FIGHT, AND THAN HAVE 2+ CARRIERS DROPPED OR WARPED ON YOU. I PLAY OVERWATCH, INSTANT PVP.

there is a key probably just to the left of your 'a' key i think you bumped it