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just wish i had a larger choice in charge sizes like sub caps do

Actually. You have 2 realistic choices - Spend 1 million isk + for Navy charges, so you can be a useful logi for a few seconds longer. Or you can buy the cheaper but far larger charges and be less useful.

A lot like Light Fighters, you can buy affordable T1 fighters or spend half what your hull costs buying 3 flights of T2 . All 3 items are disposable so it comes down to - How much time you are prepared to pve or how many plex your willing to buy for disposable items.

This is all about a new isk sink - Apparently all those who fly capital ships are rich and belong to large wealthy groups who can afford to just throw isk away..

CCP seem to be under the misapprehension that everyone who plays Eve wants everything to be easily destructible.
They are wrong - Pvp'r want fights, they want to blow stuff up and they want to win. So when everything is designed around N+1 it removes much of what was once good about Pvp in Eve.

Citadel release had great potential, all of which was wasted on narrow minded developers. Such a shame......

Bottom line for capitals - Once a player has lost a couple due to them not being able to be satisfactorily repaired by dedicated logistics ships (which aren't designed to give adequate reps for a full triage cycle) and next to useless local reps (again by design, don't want a capital ship that is capable of surviving an attack by half a dozen T1 cruisers do we) - They will just stop using them.

Two of my characters were dedicated logistics/triage pilots - They no longer have capital ships worthy of being called "Capital Class Logistics", I won't fly ships that by design are meant to die, due to not being capable of performing the role they are supposed to have been designed for.
Fax's, with their current capabilities should cost half what they do, then they might be useful and live up to CCP's expectations of being disposable.

At current cost with such limited abilities - Fax's just aren't worth it.

For Triage - Reduce cycle time "bonus" (how it can be called a bonus is beyond me - it is in all honesty a drawback) by 50%, increase amount repaired per cycle by 25%, then you might have something worth fielding in a capital fleet.

The cycle time is a huge bonus to those caps and is what will give them a place over the other fax in their role. I don't have the patience to explain it on my cell but ask a corp or alliance mate that focuses on logistics and he should be able to explain

What does confuse me about our is how there is no cap reducing per level as well. CCP keeps doing this only to add it a year or two later. Now I don't have a problem with these taking more cap as a trade off for faster reps but it always bugs me when a skill has any negative effect on a module

O.o i dont think any of them are good i was talking about the cycle time bonuse on the gal/minm. was just saying that that bonus was not bad and that cycle time can be a very important factor with logi.

not a fit i would use but it meats your standards

[Minokawa, Triage]

Reactor Control Unit II
Co-Processor II
Reactor Control Unit II
Syndicate Damage Control

Capital Shield Extender II
Capital Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 3200
Capital Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 3200
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Capital Ancillary Remote Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 3200
Capital Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster
Capital Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster
Capital Murky Compact Remote Shield Booster
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Triage Module II

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I


7m45s with two reps

It would be very desirable to look at the main gamedev of the CCP. Simple to look what of person he/she is. Two years ago, when I left game for the personal reasons, main gamedev was a guy from Blizzard, as far as I know. On community went snickers about space elves and other nonsense. But it is lyrics. Because the present demiurge has just outdone all previous. And to the greatest regret Eve, my big and undivided love, has fallen a victim of the layman.

If to sort consistently, then all horror of a situation when the person without technical education undertakes science fiction is clear.

First, capital logists. Let's approach from a position not of technical rationalism, but even simple everyday Common Sense (TM). You need to hammer a nail into a wall. What you for this purpose will take - the hammer or a microscope? The logic prompts that the hammer is ideally suited for clogging of nails. His design is rather simple, doesn't contain expensive materials and he besides is universal. It is possible not only to hammer with the hammer nails, but also, for example, to crack nuts.
But instead of the hammer (which already is) some very clever person has suggested to put on the market microscopes for clogging of nails. Which at the same time can't carry out functions of microscopes, but value as microscopes.And every hammer now has his handle cut down in half.

Secondly, support-fighters. Logic of the God level. Many years in game exist heavy support drones, the realizing absolutely identical functionality and comparable power at immeasurably smaller cost. Further - drones suddenly pilotless. That is from the point of view of common sense it is quite logical to entrust dangerous and ungrateful work to a piece of iron, but not to send to the meat grinder some valorous, let and cloned, the Valkyrie (TM).
Besides, interestingly how far you will be sent by the sane soldier if you suggest him to advance to the attack without weapon?

Thirdly, system of researches and system of processing. For some reason cut out such quite realistic thing as ME coefficient from system of researches (same with PE). Instead have added unclear 10%. Tell please - from what piece these 10% are? From what nut in a drone/ship/gun design? And something more than 10% is impossible? To the person with technical education it becomes sad and terrible. The terrible ten-percentage science fiction.
Further - it is more. For an invent of drones for example unexpectedly Mechanical Engineering changes on Graviton Physics. Emm... sorry, and in what place there gravitons are present and what percent from all mechanical design of the drone they make? I know that you will tell. It simply game!
Well, why then in Just Game 30% of waste when processing have appeared? Earlier they were meant too, but only waste from imperfection of skills was obviously reflected. That was quite logical and stimulated the newly appeared industrialist to swing skills, to save isk for implants and to gain desired 6.67 standing to the owner of station with refinery capacities. Now all trouble will give so insignificant gain that the incentive where vanishes. You will tell that mathematically there same. OK. And psychologically? For what reason to the person who has come to game to spend time and forces if a third part of his works INEVITABLY goes nowhere? And he will see this every time pressing Reprocess.
Also the interesting picture turns out - the realism is at the roots cleaned in one place, and in another it is taken outside, but in absolutely grotesque form.


The list can be continued, but is there a reason? Simply it is very-very curious to me to look in a face to present Head GameDev of Eve. Because there is a full and reasonable feeling that the person is not very clever. And not only from a technical aspect of business.

With marketing the situation is not better. Just because lucid minds of are not visited yet by a simple thought - Audience of Dota, WoW yet and various Korean jerk-game WILL NOT play Eve. It is still too difficult for this contingent. You can simplify it even more. But you're not able to take a place for yourself in this segment of market. But you will lose your unique position, which fed you for many years. You have already practically lost her. Just look at your online numbers.

PS I know you have a problem with popular carriers and unpopular dreadnoughts. You know why? Because few years ago you cut off dronebays from all capital ships except carriers. And now you're doing the same mistake one more time.

PPS Translated from russian with all my madskillz. Why? Because the real CCP speaks english, not russian. If you wanna Lord to hear you, pray in the right language. :)

I think that no matter what course of action is taken someones butt gets hurt.

I like the new carriers. I have little interest in flying the FAX

I can shoot subcaps with a carrier.

The same isn't as easily done in a dread. I also enjoy the idea that carriers will now be a lower priority target when on field in a mixed capital deployment. Also, finally, use a carrier for what its designed to do - alpha enemy subcap logi, kill HIC/DIC etc.

you can still easily shoot sups with a dread and once all the subs are dead you can then refit to capital guns. and good luch alphaing any decent fit sub cap off the field bigger than a dessi

they have decent DPS on paper untill you add in the 48s reload :/ but in those small fights i suppose they wouldn't last long enough to notice that.


so are carriers just big blops now? used to drop on some small gang or miners that you probably could of handled on your own?

37k alpha if perfect application and max DPS fit and none of them have been killed. good thing my guardian tanks well over 100k and my friendly reps cycle much faster than the fighters volley.


oh yeah also forgot you are not doing any dps because my lone griffin has perma jammed all of your fighters and two of your friends fighters