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Sorry but the ONLY way to load or unload new fighters is to be in space - Docked or Tethered to a Citadel, you can't move fighters to or from launch tubes.

Bay size is one pretty encouraging reason to not use support fighters - At 3k/m each, that is a lot of space that could go to something else.
That aside - You will need 12K/m of space in your fighter hangar if using anti drone fighters, 9Km if just using support or fighters capable of hitting other ships.

Seems there are still more reasons not to use a carrier over a subcap or dread.

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Anti-drone fighters - With a total of 72 HP damage difference between fastest and slowest - There is no reason to use anything other than Gram II's, unless your going for a specific damage type.
Equite II's may be useful at 55m/s slower than the Gram II and potentially 24 more HP damage per volley.
Locust II's don't have much going for them being Kinetic and 165m/s slower than the Gram II, Satyr II could be useful if your target is right on top of you and does less than 1Km/s.

It seems a shame Devs didn't bother to make the different faction types different enough to make a difference. Hopefully they are not at release stats yet and some thought may yet be put into making them unique. Maybe the Gram could get its Tackle attribute changed to target painting, the Satyr changed to scram for stopping heavy fighters just MJDing out of range, leaving the other 2 with the web bonus.

it does tested this during one of the mass tests

So the tackle ability, -6% to velocity per fighter, on anti fighters acts as a scram?

I think it would be better if we made carriers have larger fighter hangers but made it take longer to reload fighters this would prevent them from having to sit on their hands half way though a moderately long fight

F1?

And "Q" is working fine. Also Shift + R, Shift + Alt + R now working aswell.
Can't understand why many ppl have problems with ratting, wrong fighters perhaps. Some ppl still don't know that there are 2 types of light fighters.
Also I tried to kill Domi and Gila today, with simple but pretty tanky fit. Domi destroyed within 30 sec and Gila was on armor after 1 shot and 1 rocket salvo (it's 1 sec). Gila with mwd and 1 nano can't run away from fighters. I used Thanatos with 1 DDA 4 FSU 2 DNC and 1 OTL with tracking script. It was just stupid test but carrier isn't worthless

At zero without the Gila fighting back, 1 rocket salvo (from 3 squads of light fighters) will put it into armor.
At anything over 30K the Gila if used right will have killed half of your first squad of fighters before they get in range - With logi, the Gila is in no fear of getting killed. Even an XLASB will out rep rocket salvos long enough to kill off enough fighters to reduce their damage and chances of killing you (in a 1 v 1 scenario). All the Gila needs to do is keep you pointed long enough for dreads to arrive and pop the carrier.
PS; You don't need to kill a complete squad of light fighters - Just 3 or 4 from each squad reduces their damage enough to be manageable. Hint; don't kill them all - Force the carrier pilot to recall the squad or abandon them and reload tubes.

Gila has no need to run away from fighters, it just has to not land at zero on a carrier and know how to use its DPS - That pair of hammerheads chew through light fighter squads pretty efficiently. Not easily mind you, just well enough to reduce incoming DPS to a decent level.
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Also when testing, it is easy to set up a ship to die to light fighters if it is 1 on 1 but in a fleet where your 3 squads of fighters will get called primary - Be ready to recall whats left of the squads often.
Light fighters will be a nice distraction for enemy subcaps while their dreads volley carriers off the field.
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Miss 'Assassination' Cayman - I don't know what happened in my previous tests but the velocity ability is pretty effective. Bombers are like ducks in a shooting gallery once hit with it.

i'm starting to wonder if the disadvantages are making them to hard to balance

the line between op and u.p. is very very thin this combined with the fact that ccp is trying to make one capital only work on sub caps and at the same time giving the rest an option to chose


another thing is fighters are not cheap by any means making HAW even more attractive

i'll give them this much they are going in the right direction it feels i'm just not sure it's fast enough.


i wish we could get some feed back from them so we could be more help

right now we are going off what we think they are trying to do as far as we know they want them to be titan killers

That point about them now being 3 targets not 15 is huge because it means you only need to catch one target to lock down 1/3 the dps

Just reiterating the idea of them having differant drawbacks adds to the gameplay but ccp needs to be able to balance these cons with appropriate pros. The new game play with these is amazing and I can't wait to use them on tq but if they ate not a valid choice do to ballance all this will be pointless