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E Wan
The Positron
#1 - 2011-12-17 10:42:51 UTC
After few years of molesting my self by playing EVE on OS X, experiencing crashing, freezing, low graphics, low fps, constant huge updates and what the hell not, after this Crucible patch everything on OS X client eased to work. Desperate to find solution starting from extremely low fps (from 5 to 15), poor font render, over to not seeing CQ at all not to mention trails or any other fancy stuff added I tried Parallels. Of course it didn't work, so how about I try to go clean!

BootCamp, install, install and WOW

Smooth game seen only on YouTube! Effects, shades, response... simply all the juices start flowing!

These two clients are simply incomparable!!! I'm surprised that EVE exist at all on Mac platform!

So who ever have any problem with EVE and playing on Mac, do your self a favor and start loving every pixel of this game again, install Windows over BootCamp!

GM's you should stick this or announce this since this is the solution for all problems in this section!
lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
#2 - 2011-12-17 14:11:25 UTC
I do have Win 7 on my mac, but i refuse to boot on Win regularly not just because I don't like it, but because Win does not even recognize my wireless mouse or fans of my mac. I believe CCP does not use to full extent the fact that Eve is probably the only one modern game that works on macs, otherwise it would be widely used as a claim for marketing and raising mac user base.

Mac users are well aware that OS X is not a gaming platform and they have made their choice. That is simply stupid to buy an expensive mac and use Bootcamp all the time. It just will not happen. PC is a better choice in such case.

In the meantime, I choose to close all my Eve accounts that run out of subscription.
Peter Grayson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-12-17 19:46:02 UTC
Eve used to work perfectly and smothly before crucible … even few days ago it worked fine on singularity.
I will not boot windows everytime I want to log tranquility … if this the only solution, I will rather drop eve.
there is a Cider version of Skyrim that works and diablo III is coming.

I'm sad for sure but No Game will force me to boot on windows …
SexTrader
LOst BrotherhoOd
#4 - 2011-12-17 20:38:45 UTC
I agree, that booting into bootcamp is a PITA, and I only do it for Eve. I feel that it's a necessary evil if you want to play the game as it was meant to be played. ( without stuttering lag and constant crashing ).
Cider is just a bunch of trash attached to the native Windows game that just drags it down in all respects.

Use Mac for Mac native games, Use bootcamp for Windows native games.

JMHO
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2011-12-18 05:28:12 UTC
My computer is provided free by IT at work. Although they do allow eve, IT wants some configuration control, and one aspect of that is: no bootcamp unless needed for work. There is some issue with the automated backup system implemented by the IT department.

So either I pay money for a separate computer, or play eve under OSX.

Another issue is I tend to do an hour of eve, then go back to other stuff. I do not want to be booting back and forth, over and over. Id rather ride CCP to work on the client. They have fixed issues with the Mac client before, they can do it again.

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SexTrader
LOst BrotherhoOd
#6 - 2011-12-18 06:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: SexTrader
I'll admit that I'm not a brainiack when it comes to programming, but I doubt that CCP makes any changes to the, more than likely, one and only Eve client they produce. Just a guess, mind you, but I'd say they take your complains and give them to Transgaming and tell them to try and fix it.Ugh

Edit: Unless, of course, the problem also affects the Windows client.
E Wan
The Positron
#7 - 2011-12-18 11:38:25 UTC
Beh, guys no one pushes you to play this game at all. OS X client NEVER worked as good as Winblows one. So it is either start enjoying this game and every detail of it, or keep on strugling and molesting your self with Mac client, unprovoced lag, low graphic, low frame rates, loosing ships due some crashes that doesn't log anywhere, no reimbusement because game "works", and so on... No one said it's not PITA or annoying to reboot but it's about pleasure and something that you are all paying. Lunux users end up without client, I see same thing happening to us in some future. This game simply does not work on OS X. Try it, you will be amazed, and know again that your computer is not crap!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2011-12-19 03:19:00 UTC
E Wan wrote:
Beh, guys no one pushes you to play this game at all. OS X client NEVER worked as good as Winblows one. So it is either start enjoying this game and every detail of it, or keep on strugling and molesting your self with Mac client, unprovoced lag, low graphic, low frame rates, loosing ships due some crashes that doesn't log anywhere, no reimbusement because game "works", and so on... No one said it's not PITA or annoying to reboot but it's about pleasure and something that you are all paying. Lunux users end up without client, I see same thing happening to us in some future. This game simply does not work on OS X. Try it, you will be amazed, and know again that your computer is not crap!



This is the Macintosh forum, not the Windows-Is-Better forum.

My computer (for some unknown reason) shits itself when I try to set up BootCamp. So that's not really an option.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
SexTrader
LOst BrotherhoOd
#9 - 2011-12-19 06:07:58 UTC
I use a Mac , as well, and I'm definitely NOT saying that Windows is a better platform.
What I am saying is that if you insist on playing a game that is natively based on the Windows operating system, then you will get the best performance when you play it under Windows.
If you want to play it only under OSX, using some sort of wrapper to try and emulate the Windows environment, then you will have to put up with sub par performance.
E Wan
The Positron
#10 - 2011-12-19 09:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: E Wan
RubyPorto wrote:
This is the Macintosh forum, not the Windows-Is-Better forum.

My computer (for some unknown reason) shits itself when I try to set up BootCamp. So that's not really an option.



Yes it is, but who ever have problems with EVE on Macintosh this is the only solution. For real guys, I'm working on Mac and will do it for ever since I love it's platform, but we are talking about EVE here not Mac.

This game and Macintosh does not go together! Deal with it. EVE is not built for OS X it's built for Windows and they are tweaking and distorting it just to be start able on Mac's but gameplay, who cares. I hate Windows and I've installed only EVE on it now, because I love this game and I've invested in it a lot. But now I feel sorry for my self suffering all the inconveniences that OS X client caused me playing this game, starting from poor frame rate, low graphics, constant crashes, loosing ships do to various reasons, not getting reimbursements because client does not log properly.. etc. etc.

So conclusion: EVE does not work on Macs, period!



And RubyPorto, sorry bro, if it's not an option for you, but they will simply never gonna fix it, and you will see that only when you start this game at it's native system. You will be amazed and will not believe how it works and finally you will see HOW FAR they are with OS X client. What we say it's working, when it works (Apocrypha for example), it's not even close to the actual client.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2011-12-19 10:57:53 UTC
E Wan wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
This is the Macintosh forum, not the Windows-Is-Better forum.

My computer (for some unknown reason) shits itself when I try to set up BootCamp. So that's not really an option.



Yes it is, but who ever have problems with EVE on Macintosh this is the only solution. For real guys, I'm working on Mac and will do it for ever since I love it's platform, but we are talking about EVE here not Mac.

This game and Macintosh does not go together! Deal with it. EVE is not built for OS X it's built for Windows and they are tweaking and distorting it just to be start able on Mac's but gameplay, who cares. I hate Windows and I've installed only EVE on it now, because I love this game and I've invested in it a lot. But now I feel sorry for my self suffering all the inconveniences that OS X client caused me playing this game, starting from poor frame rate, low graphics, constant crashes, loosing ships do to various reasons, not getting reimbursements because client does not log properly.. etc. etc.

So conclusion: EVE does not work on Macs, period!

And RubyPorto, sorry bro, if it's not an option for you, but they will simply never gonna fix it, and you will see that only when you start this game at it's native system. You will be amazed and will not believe how it works and finally you will see HOW FAR they are with OS X client. What we say it's working, when it works (Apocrypha for example), it's not even close to the actual client.



Cool story bro. I've played Eve on Windows and agree it runs better. But it doesn't change the fact this is the Macintosh forum, not the Windows-Is-Better forum. Reducing the number of Mac users just reduces the incentive CCP/Transgaming has to fix the gamebreaking issues. I don't mind the low framerate and such, I mind the crashes.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Peter Grayson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-12-19 11:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Grayson
I don't care much How far OSX Client is supposed to be, compared to windows. I'm on a mac that's all.
Incarna was running sufficiently smoothly for my own satisfaction, I'm confident and I have no doubt CCP
will find a solution in (a near) future.

Well … hopefully Diablo III is coming :)
Matthew Barsrallah
Nerbles
#13 - 2011-12-19 11:53:45 UTC
i as well had the same expierience with bootcamp and eve, i was able to jack all the settings to high and get steady/smooth fps in windows. however unlike some of the posters here, crucible for the mac client gave me much better preformance then icarna.


to aliievate the reboot issue, i wrote this quick and dirty reboot apple script. all it does is temporarily set the windows partition to the boot disk (on next reboot) and reboots. the holding option is a PITA Lol just run the scirpt, type in your admin password, and your in windows in under 30 seconds

Quote:


set WinDisk to "Untitled"
set WinDevice to "disk0s3"

tell application "Finder"
if disk WinDisk exists then
eject disk WinDisk
end if
end tell


do shell script "bless -device /dev/" & WinDevice & " -legacy -setBoot -nextonly" with administrator privileges

do shell script "shutdown -r now" with administrator privileges



this is the source, this MAY work for you, the part you MIGHT have to change is the location of your windows partition. mine is "disk0s3" to find yours in terminal type "diskutil list" and make note of the location of your bootcamp partition and change the script accordingly. comple in apple script editor.

tbh, cant complain about the preformance of a game designed using microsoft technology on a non-microsoft operating system. eve is actually leaps and bounds ahead of most games. be thankful that ccp spent the time and money to at least to a wrapper.

but yes, bootcamp will make the game look better and run faster. the above script makes it easier to reboot. good luck and happy flying!
Jericho D'Angel
Bourbon's Anonny Corp
#14 - 2012-02-01 19:59:28 UTC
I admit I'm not well versed in all the techno-lingo, just started learning AppleScript, but EVE works just fine on my new MacBook Pro, 60FPS framerate and no crashes. Mind you, I had to tweak the controls a little like settling for static hangar - but since the action happens outside, with all the graphics working just fine, what do I care about inside? nothing happens there anyway! Ahem, on EVE, just to clarify.

Of course, the only caveat to this is when in proximity to large fleets when, yes, I agree, everything slows down to a staccato snail's pace; i.e.: Jita 4-4 - annoying, but I don't hang out there much, so...

I haven't tried Bootcamp so I don't have anything to compare with but I figure if I'm enjoying game, why would I leave it? Sure, things can always be made better, but, hey, we all have to make our own decisions about what is satisfying and/or entertaining.

I don't really know why I'm writing this...Ugh
Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#15 - 2012-02-16 11:12:43 UTC
lafforet wrote:
but because Win does not even recognize my wireless mouse or fans of my mac.


Are you sure you created and installed drivers and software from Mac to your Win7 Partition?
Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother. 
Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#16 - 2012-02-17 05:53:31 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Cool story bro. I've played Eve on Windows and agree it runs better. But it doesn't change the fact this is the Macintosh forum, not the Windows-Is-Better forum. Reducing the number of Mac users just reduces the incentive CCP/Transgaming has to fix the gamebreaking issues. I don't mind the low framerate and such, I mind the crashes.


They call that ostrich politics...

But really, what he's suggesting isn't "Windows-Is-Better" it's actually.. "Use the tools provided to you by OSX! Bootcamp" You're not dropping your beliefs or anything. Bootcamp wasn't made to be able to play EVE on a mac. It was created for the other gazillion programs that will not work on Mac.

I agree with you that there should be a Mac client.. but till that time, I guess you'll just have to consider EVE on of those games that is secretly bootcamp only for Mac.. If you don't want to listen, sure... put your head back in the sand. I've been filing crash and bugreports since I started playing EVE in Jan'10. I've not had to make one for about 6months since I switched to bootcamp.

I've said it before, you're only doing yourself a favour.
Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother. 
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2012-02-17 07:20:35 UTC
Tess La'Coil wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

Cool story bro. I've played Eve on Windows and agree it runs better. But it doesn't change the fact this is the Macintosh forum, not the Windows-Is-Better forum. Reducing the number of Mac users just reduces the incentive CCP/Transgaming has to fix the gamebreaking issues. I don't mind the low framerate and such, I mind the crashes.


They call that ostrich politics...

But really, what he's suggesting isn't "Windows-Is-Better" it's actually.. "Use the tools provided to you by OSX! Bootcamp" You're not dropping your beliefs or anything. Bootcamp wasn't made to be able to play EVE on a mac. It was created for the other gazillion programs that will not work on Mac.

I agree with you that there should be a Mac client.. but till that time, I guess you'll just have to consider EVE on of those games that is secretly bootcamp only for Mac.. If you don't want to listen, sure... put your head back in the sand. I've been filing crash and bugreports since I started playing EVE in Jan'10. I've not had to make one for about 6months since I switched to bootcamp.

I've said it before, you're only doing yourself a favour.


Yeah, I hopped on the running boot camp bandwagon months ago when it became clear that CCP wasn't going to be getting the mac client fixed anytime soon. It wass a massive pain in the ass to install Win7 since I don't have a working disc drive on my computer.

Doesn't change the fact that fewer macintosh client users (CCP Can tell what client you use) log on, the less incentive CCP has to fix the issue.

My issue is that forcing us to sidestep the issues with the Mac Client by running windows means CCP can ignore the decreasing number of mac client users. If you don't think that's what'll happen, you got a picture in your post you might want to look at.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
matarkhan
ConHugeCo
#18 - 2012-02-21 00:43:05 UTC
Maybe I've just been lucky, but the Eve client runs fine on my 15" MBP. I run 2 clients all the time, no crashes, no issues. In fleets, solo, caps, manufacturing, pretty much everything.

I have gotten weird crashes on occasion while exploring, but a reconnect to Eve and a reconnect to my probes takes care of it. That's as bad as it gets.

\/o\/
Tyler Isrock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-02-23 00:12:17 UTC
I think it all comes down to what Mac you're using. The newer MBPs and iMacs have much better graphics cards. But the I've been using a 4 year old iMac and I haven't had that many problems.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#20 - 2012-02-23 21:13:40 UTC
I can't say that I'm blessed with terrific performance on my 2008-era iMac, but it's gone from poor and crash-prone (Incarna) to decent but crash-prone (Crucible 1.0) to decent and stable (Crucible 1.2, plus current patches). As of Crucible 1.2, I can run the client with default graphics settings now, instead of optimizing for memory.

If I run the game in Windows, first I have to pay through the nose for Windows just to run one game. Then I don't have access to all my files and apps while EVE is running (I don't run full screen), including my spreadsheets--and I'm not going to pay through the nose again to get Office, either. I would not have started playing EVE without the Mac client, and I will leave the second that it does. Not because I'd ragequit or anything petulant like that; it just wouldn't be worth the time and investment to run the game anymore.

As for performance: OS X runs the graphics drivers in user space. Windows runs them in kernel space. OS X will always be slower at graphics-intensive games, but the tradeoff is that if the graphics driver crashes OS X can reboot it; Windows crashes hard. I'm sure the emulation layer under the Mac EVE client doesn't help things, but we will have to accept that our platform trades absolute performance for an extra measure of security and stability.

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