EVE General Discussion

Try not playing alone.

Yeah, I've tried that, not really interested. I don't have the time or consistency to commit to anyone else.

I tried that.

1. I found it boring, because I couldn't really do what I wanted, when it's not my corp.
2. I found corp owners would rather have you doing their work, and make very little profit doing so.

I just don't have the time to invest in what could be a waste of my time. At least if I do my own thing, I can control what that is.

Based on the precedent of POCOs I think the fees would be pretty high in most of those citadels. And I would be vary of using player owned structures when I am not part of the owning corp/alliance and have no information about when they would decide to change rates, move around, block someone, be wardecced and so on.

Yes, we'll probably hear more at Fanfest, but I fully expect there to be a drilling platform or other structure specialized for industry that will handle compression and other industry for much less than the price-tag of a medium citadel, probably in the range of the current small POS, at least to get started.

Now, you will have to defend it instead of pulling it down if a war starts in highsec, but I am sure similar functionality to the small POS will be available for less than the cost of a medium Citadel. That, and the fact that you can use other people's structures for a fee, means there will be more options, not less, by the time the new structures are fully implemented.

Yeah, you might want to build relationship with the owner (which is always good thing in eve). If they decide to block you, you will be able to move your stuff to NPC station. I

Nah, evasion isn't fun for anyone. If you are benefiting from a structure, you should have to defend it. That provides content for the whole game when stuff is actually on the line, rather than everyone just holing up in a station whenever they think they can't win.

Players, in general, are too timid and seem to assume the worst about their opponents, that is that they are immensely powerful, competent and skilled, when usually they are just another bunch of scrubs. Mechanics that incentivize defending your stuff over evasion are needed in a open-world game like this. Of course your structures also need to be easily defensible to prevent everything from just burning to the ground all the time, but from the look of Citadels, they are not going to be so easy to knock over and will require the attacker to also put something on the line to try.

But this is off-topic. Perhaps some of the yet-to-come structures will indeed have shorter unanchor timers than the 7-day citadel one, but I would not expect them to be less than the 24h war warm-up period from what CCP Nullarbor has said.

No, that is just opting out of the war. Not logging in or not undocking is just not playing the game.

Why should you get all the benefits of owning a structure, while not having to defend it? That kind of makes a mockery of risk vs. reward, wouldn't you say? It's about time this failure in game design is corrected.

Of course not, but you have to actually do something to prevent that, not just turtle up. Or at least, that is what you should have to do in a vibrant, competitive sandbox game where players can actually interact with other players. Otherwise, what content would there be in this PvP sandbox game if everyone could just opt out of any fight?

Eve is a PvP sandbox game, yes. That means you get to do what you want, but so do I. And if I object to your structure, I should get a chance to actually shoot it, rather than you make your ISK-generating structures immune to me at no cost. You should really read the section 7 of the New Pilot FAQ to see what type of game this is, but in short, you are intended to be vulnerable to the other players everywhere and at all times, in CCP words "[t]he essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment." You are not entitled (nor intended) to do PvE or industry at no risk to the other players.

I do for the exact same reason we have warp scramblers, entosis links, and bubbles. There has to be ways to force fights in this game, especially over resources and assets that provide income, or most players will take the safest option and flee/hide and this PvP game will have no content. Apparently CCP sees this as well, since the Citadel team has explicitly said that is the reason why they are implementing them this way.

I have no problem with attackers having to deploy a structure to be able to declare a war. That seems fair enough so there is something to counter-attack.

But one new feature of these Citadels is that they auto-point any aggressor for the duration of the weapons timer so they cannot warp away. Anyone attacking a Citadel is committed to staying in that fight, at least for another 60 seconds, giving plenty of time for a defending fleet, or a Citadel weapons operator, to engage the attacker without them being able to flee.

So even without changing the mechanics of wars (which is another topic entirely and thus off-topic), the aggressor is putting something on the line when bashing a structure in highsec. Seems plenty fair to me.

I think that's a very narrow minded view. I'll repeat that view in a way that more accurately reflects your view point (at least they way it seems that your view is); see below.