EVE General Discussion

"THEY WILL PRINT WHATEVER I TELL THEM"

Well Mittens, they certainly printed that bit.

GG Mittens GG

Except you know paying out the guys who write the articles that drive site traffic with ISK...you know the in game currency of EVE Online.

But hey why let facts ruin a good story right.

Which CCP explicitly allow, hence why sites like EN24 do exactly the same thing.

LOL. When I logged on a new account I didn't actually get a gambling site with it. I guess my copy of EVE must be broken. What gambling site do you own and operate that you got as part of logging on to EVE?

But would't your answer to that question also be no? I think you are confused.

To be clear to you,yes, all third party tools provide a benefit, that's why they exist, but like CCP stated themselves, there's a difference between a fair benefit like TS3 provides and an unfair advantage that tools like ISBoxer provide. IWI is a tool that provides an unfair benefit to it's owner, and so should not be allowed.

I do like by the way how you completely skipped over the question I asked you.

Mits tried to do the Evening Games Club which was a copy of the most successful iwi and eve-bet and so.

so he failed at a eve casino but haven for bid someone else makes isk from it, if they do then its wrong and RmT well what can i say to that

They have't explicity allowed them, they've implicity allowed them. Also, we are all free to ask CCP to make changes. If you want to try to make them stop allowing articles to be paid for with isk, feel free. I, unlike you, won't turn up and start launching personal attacks at you simply because I disagree with your opinion.

CCP allowed isboxer unhindered until it became a cause for unfair advantage to other players. When it became clear that it was an unfair advantage, they enforced limitations on what you could do with it. No reason they shouldn't do that for casinos.

Websites that wanted to use eve apis for their content would have a special api just for websites. Could have for profit and non profit apis. To have a profit api, corp has to hold sov. Corp loses its sov, api is disabled until they get sov again.

You know I just realized something.

There's always been a lot of grrr about CFC being too cozy with CCP. The quit article from Gevlon says much about it... but....

When people come into Eve expecting a certain thing, Eve becomes that thing.


When big space battles make international news, people coming into the game expect that. They may get it, or not, or get it and TiDi disenchants them, and they move on. But the expectation is why we have TiDi as CCP does what they can to address lag, TiDi being better than "I got on grid, black screen, clone vat".

When Eve has a reputation of being a litter box rather than a sandbox, hence the response CCP took to the E1 scandal for example, people will come into the game expecting and performing stuff like that.


Now would be, more than ever, one of the best times to be having a subscription/advertisement drive. Imagine a field of new players here on the pretense of "taking down a huge alliance". Imagine what they would do for the game with that expectation.

Yet it's pretty silent. Is there foot-dragging going on here? Or is this happening too fast? Or are there people on the inside who feel that this is not a goon-friendly thing to do?

Just my 2 cents. Note I ask questions, but I don't have answers. I'm wondering why there is no massive sub drive going on in what is going to be a huge pivotal point in the Eve timeline.

I believe there is a difference between what draws people to the game, and what keeps 'em here.

For example - I admit in all honesty - I was going to be a space mogul, inventing stuff, running multiple production lines and I almost could envision shipping lanes running around the clock ferrying the goods.

Then I got shot. Repeatedly.

I EmOrAgEQuiTTT!!

I came back.

I started shooting people just to get my PvP on - discovered I liked that ... and out of the window my production empire dream went. So you see... signing up for taking on the Evil Space Imperium is one thing; chances are those people will discover that perhaps they don't like it after all. Or they 5uck at it. They may yet become highsec dwellers, or rather carve themselves a place to stay in a nice quiet wormhole with friends.

The tools are there ; what they make for themselves, only time will tell.

But which group is which? Sometimes it's hard to separate the roleplay "Grr Goons" from a rather disturbing hatred of anything to do with Goonswarm.

This probably has to do with similarities with real life. As much as we'd like to keep in-game and out-game separated, I think it's only human we recognise behaviour from the one seeping through in the other.

The in-game world allows us to be better people than we actually are, because our very lives are not at stake. "it is but pixels", right?

In game we can do what we fail to do in real life: make a difference. Kick the whole house of cards into oblivion. Back in the real world however, we're still very much governed by goon-alikes.

I'm sure somebody will write a nice thesis about it, but it may very turn out that those fighting for Freedom in the Pixel World care because they feel oppressed in the real one. Despite the fact it hasn't played out in-game yet, we already know what would happen if we don't stand up to civilisation - unified carebear masses under the umbrella of a "commonwealth". Some may just long the Far West had never ended, and are unwilling to repeat the mistakes of old. In the pixel world, that is.

When all things you see or do in game involve real people, it seems quite normal to pierce the veil between worlds. On one hand this is a truly amazing feat by CCP. It's also a long-winded way of say "people will be a55holes in any world."