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Your thoughts of the new mining drone. Coming soon?
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Abadayos
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-03-26 04:03:10 UTC
Tenchi Sal wrote:
I'm guessing we may get more info come fanfest.


Sadly it looks like the case which sucks because it limits the shake down time we have for testing and working out the kinks and bugs that may result, or over/under powered mechanics that would ruin the null/LS economy (rorqs are not going to be allowed into HS, you have Orca's for that job, less risk thus less boost/reward).

Would be nice to simply get an update on the stats of the rorq and have some things waiting in the wings like new moduals etc for it to be released come FanFest
Oxide Ammar
#22 - 2016-03-26 06:53:51 UTC
Tenchi Sal wrote:
I'm guessing we may get more info come fanfest.


Why everyone talking about Fanfest ? Rorqual need to be resolved like rest of capitals in Citadel Patch.

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-03-26 08:05:52 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
Just thought of something. I do not know if it is a good idea since I can not test it, but. a way to get these drones on without a big reworking of the Rorqual and usable on other ships.

They could make a new module that increases the ships drone bandwidth. So for instance a ship that normally sent out 5 med. drones with a couple of these modules you can sent out 4 large drones for higher damage and survivability in null against rats.

Would something like this actually work?

Firstly, why do these drones need to be used by other ships?

If you want to use them, then learn to fly the ship that is designed to use them with.

Secondly, no that wouldn't work in any case.

In addition to 200 MBit/sec bandwidth, the drone has a volume of 200 m^3 (SiSi stats, so subject to change).

That won't fit in the drone bay of regular mining barges or exhumers, etc.

Think of it like the Gecko of mining drones. Big and uses lots of bandwidth, so limited in how many and what ships can use it. Not everything in the game needs to be usable by everyone. It's ok for things to be specialised.



What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?

Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.

Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-03-26 08:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Drago Shouna wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
Just thought of something. I do not know if it is a good idea since I can not test it, but. a way to get these drones on without a big reworking of the Rorqual and usable on other ships.

They could make a new module that increases the ships drone bandwidth. So for instance a ship that normally sent out 5 med. drones with a couple of these modules you can sent out 4 large drones for higher damage and survivability in null against rats.

Would something like this actually work?

Firstly, why do these drones need to be used by other ships?

If you want to use them, then learn to fly the ship that is designed to use them with.

Secondly, no that wouldn't work in any case.

In addition to 200 MBit/sec bandwidth, the drone has a volume of 200 m^3 (SiSi stats, so subject to change).

That won't fit in the drone bay of regular mining barges or exhumers, etc.

Think of it like the Gecko of mining drones. Big and uses lots of bandwidth, so limited in how many and what ships can use it. Not everything in the game needs to be usable by everyone. It's ok for things to be specialised.



What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?

Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.

Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer.

You can want things all you like. That's typical miner entitlement.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2016-03-26 08:17:49 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
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What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?

Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.

Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer.



I HAVE LOCATED THE CANCER!




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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#26 - 2016-03-26 11:25:17 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
You idiots.
The idea is to get out of hisec, not beg for awesome null ships to be used in it.
I can just see all the rorquals undocking 1 minute after downtime to hoover up hisec belts with fleets of alt exhumers.
F##### stupid.
Ugh, breathing through my mouth here, my disgust can really only be expressed with interpretive dance.




As I said, the Rorqual could be balanced to be a one-pilot equivalent to freighter alt + boost Orca alt. It would not break things (one more Skiff per multiboxer) and would provide a nice reward for really dedicated and wealthy miners.

That would have a positive impact in way, way, WAY MORE players than whatever stupidity is planning CCP for the enjoyment of nullsec miners who would rather afford a Rorqual and 5 Excavator drones than 2 Hulks...

...but then we're in the Rubicon era, were cool guys get the shiny toys and actual miners get a middle finger.
Oxide Ammar
#27 - 2016-03-26 13:07:22 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
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What's the point of mining drones that 99% of miners can't use?

Most mining by far goes on in HS, we know that. So making a drone unusable in the main mining sector makes zero sense.

Please don't start droning on about moving to null and buying a Rorqual either, I want 1k bandwidth and a 1k drone hold on my Exhumer.



I HAVE LOCATED THE CANCER!







Too much roleplaying, tune it down.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2016-03-26 16:05:54 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
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I get sh4t on in hisec.



Get out of hisec.



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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#29 - 2016-03-26 16:42:04 UTC
Standard high sec greed and selfishness on display. "If we can't have it, no one should", it literally doesn't matter to them that it's their own supreme advantage ( CONCORD protection) that is the reason they can't have capital ships (and these new drones), because capitals that could mine or fight in high sec while protected by CONCORD would be the most broken thing in the history of EVE.


If you want to use capital ships, leave the safety of the 14% of EVE that has CONCORD. If 86% of New Eden to use as a play ground isn't enough for you types, you simply can't be helped.
Oxide Ammar
#30 - 2016-03-26 20:38:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Standard high sec greed and selfishness on display. "If we can't have it, no one should", it literally doesn't matter to them that it's their own supreme advantage ( CONCORD protection) that is the reason they can't have capital ships (and these new drones), because capitals that could mine or fight in high sec while protected by CONCORD would be the most broken thing in the history of EVE.


If you want to use capital ships, leave the safety of the 14% of EVE that has CONCORD. If 86% of New Eden to use as a play ground isn't enough for you types, you simply can't be helped.



Oh your post reminds me about something ....can't remember...something sacred to EVE players ...Hmmm...A taboo you can't talking about it or request it...

Ah I remember now, buying SP for ISK...you want me to dig some old threads request that have been all answered by big "NO" ?

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2016-03-26 21:04:44 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Standard high sec greed and selfishness on display. "If we can't have it, no one should", it literally doesn't matter to them that it's their own supreme advantage ( CONCORD protection) that is the reason they can't have capital ships (and these new drones), because capitals that could mine or fight in high sec while protected by CONCORD would be the most broken thing in the history of EVE.


If you want to use capital ships, leave the safety of the 14% of EVE that has CONCORD. If 86% of New Eden to use as a play ground isn't enough for you types, you simply can't be helped.



Oh your post reminds me about something ....can't remember...something sacred to EVE players ...Hmmm...A taboo you can't talking about it or request it...

Ah I remember now, buying SP for ISK...you want me to dig some old threads request that have been all answered by big "NO" ?


Im sure this post made sense in your head some kind of why. The problem is it doesn't make sense anywhere else. So WTF are you trying to say?
Oxide Ammar
#32 - 2016-03-26 21:39:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Standard high sec greed and selfishness on display. "If we can't have it, no one should", it literally doesn't matter to them that it's their own supreme advantage ( CONCORD protection) that is the reason they can't have capital ships (and these new drones), because capitals that could mine or fight in high sec while protected by CONCORD would be the most broken thing in the history of EVE.


If you want to use capital ships, leave the safety of the 14% of EVE that has CONCORD. If 86% of New Eden to use as a play ground isn't enough for you types, you simply can't be helped.



Oh your post reminds me about something ....can't remember...something sacred to EVE players ...Hmmm...A taboo you can't talking about it or request it...

Ah I remember now, buying SP for ISK...you want me to dig some old threads request that have been all answered by big "NO" ?


Im sure this post made sense in your head some kind of why. The problem is it doesn't make sense anywhere else. So WTF are you trying to say?



That may be one day things you are bragging about it is wrong to be ingame, may be one day it will be implemented and you all then look like fools, similar to what happened to SP for ISK ...got it ?

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-03-26 21:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Drago Shouna
Jenn aSide wrote:
Standard high sec greed and selfishness on display. "If we can't have it, no one should", it literally doesn't matter to them that it's their own supreme advantage ( CONCORD protection) that is the reason they can't have capital ships (and these new drones), because capitals that could mine or fight in high sec while protected by CONCORD would be the most broken thing in the history of EVE.


If you want to use capital ships, leave the safety of the 14% of EVE that has CONCORD. If 86% of New Eden to use as a play ground isn't enough for you types, you simply can't be helped.


Where did I ask for a Capital ship in HS?

I just asked for the new drones to be put where they are most useful.

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Welcome to EVE.
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
#34 - 2016-03-26 23:24:05 UTC
I am glad that everyone has something to say, but my turn again.

I am happy that this is another way to get everyone out to null sec so we can get blown up and feed into your (CCP) accounts, but seriously I would like a high sec alternative to the drone and apparently other people would like it as well. Maybe 250 m3 per drone in high sec, maybe as a small mining drone. I don't know.


What do you think?
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-03-26 23:40:20 UTC
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
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What do you think?



I think it's a good thing there are cashed up warlords willing to invest time in killing hisec barnacles over and over.




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Mackenzie Hawkwood
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-03-27 00:50:47 UTC
This was a stupid Fozzie thought bubble when presented at EDU and it is still a stupid Fozzie thought bubble now.

I told CCP Mimic, while at EDU, that no rorqual pilot would leave the bubble/teather range to be a loot pinata in a belt and no the Capital Emergency Hull Energiser (1 shot 22sec of 99% Hull Resists) and mining fighters are not in anyway an inducement to fly said ship to belts.

If the Rorqal loses off grid boosting I forsee anom belts being abandoned for medium citadels being dropped at the 500km limit from static belts and using the teathering to protect them while providing boosts.

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Abadayos
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-03-27 05:22:05 UTC
Mackenzie Hawkwood wrote:
This was a stupid Fozzie thought bubble when presented at EDU and it is still a stupid Fozzie thought bubble now.

I told CCP Mimic, while at EDU, that no rorqual pilot would leave the bubble/teather range to be a loot pinata in a belt and no the Capital Emergency Hull Energiser (1 shot 22sec of 99% Hull Resists) and mining fighters are not in anyway an inducement to fly said ship to belts.

If the Rorqal loses off grid boosting I forsee anom belts being abandoned for medium citadels being dropped at the 500km limit from static belts and using the teathering to protect them while providing boosts.



why not just drop the smallest one in a colossal amon belt 500km away and tether and get the bonus? Sure you have t wait for the deployment etc, however you can get them up in the 3 biggest belts (Large, Enormous and Colossal) and go from there. Sure they re-spawn every 3-4 days which means you have 1 day 'down time' pretty much for anchor etc (can't remember how long the smallest Citadel takes to anchor off hand). To solve that all you do is have a random static belt too as your main 'base of operations'.

Sure it's slightly expensive but honestly if your mining in the large and above belts, you are in null and thus ISK isn't an issue and same goes for hostiles killing the citadels as you would be able to get some content and go from there.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2016-03-27 05:26:53 UTC
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
I am glad that everyone has something to say, but my turn again.

I am happy that this is another way to get everyone out to null sec so we can get blown up and feed into your (CCP) accounts, but seriously I would like a high sec alternative to the drone and apparently other people would like it as well. Maybe 250 m3 per drone in high sec, maybe as a small mining drone. I don't know.


What do you think?

How much easier do miners want things in highsec?

Isn't it easy enough already? You have smaller mining drones. Just use those.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
#39 - 2016-03-27 05:34:45 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
I am glad that everyone has something to say, but my turn again.

I am happy that this is another way to get everyone out to null sec so we can get blown up and feed into your (CCP) accounts, but seriously I would like a high sec alternative to the drone and apparently other people would like it as well. Maybe 250 m3 per drone in high sec, maybe as a small mining drone. I don't know.


What do you think?

How much easier do miners want things in highsec?

Isn't it easy enough already? You have smaller mining drones. Just use those.


Makes no difference to me. I'm a station trader, but I like to mine once in a while. I also do most of my living on Singularity these days and have access to everything anyways. Just throwing ideas out there.
Abadayos
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-03-27 06:02:07 UTC
Destiny Dain2 wrote:
I am glad that everyone has something to say, but my turn again.

I am happy that this is another way to get everyone out to null sec so we can get blown up and feed into your (CCP) accounts, but seriously I would like a high sec alternative to the drone and apparently other people would like it as well. Maybe 250 m3 per drone in high sec, maybe as a small mining drone. I don't know.


What do you think?



First off I would like to say that these new drones would be pretty expensive each to make when compared to normal mining drones (granted mining drones are cheap as hell but you get the idea, they will cost around 20-30 mill per just like carrier /supercarrier fighters do now).

Also factor in they are mining FIGHTERS class drones, not normal drones, thus they need a big bandwidth thus capital ships designed to be able to use them would be able to use them...hence Rorquals (carriers are for offense and defense and not for hoovering belts like they used to way back when).

Now also factor in the following: Hulks have a rather large capacity to drain belts in HS as it stands right now. If your a serious miner your usually in null with an army of miners yourself, however if your in HS you will find that the belts, and tiny asteroids, get depleted in a matter of hours, maybe even less. Now think of this: belts respawn after DT every few days. If your on at DT swap over you can suck up the belt pretty fast and cherry pick (as far as it goes in HS anyways...) the choice asteroids, leaving the lower value stuff for the plebs online on USTZ. This would get even worse letting hulks/macks/skiffs use these fighters.


What I would say is, if you have such a hard on for using these in HS, let it die, it's not going to happen. Null/LS/WH industry needs to be viable, you already have compression arrays in HS now, be happy with that and move on. You have low risk mining in HS if you pay attention (granted you do too in Null if your in a good corp/alliance with intel) thus you would have lower potential income. You get that via Orca boosts being worse than Rorq boosts. Ganking doesnt factor into it as if your paying attention it can easily be avoided, just look up your mining system on zkillboard and ee who is doing the ganking and go from there.


Simply put, the Rorqual needs a big draw card for it to be undocked when the booster change happens, these excavators are it (to a degree...the rorq still needs an overhaul even with these things) but it's a good start.

Now we just have to wait