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Caldari and Minmatar

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2016-11-04 02:38:00 UTC
Hetu Hegirin wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
So, kind of a convoy transport ship? Probably actually capable of self-defense?

Just blue-skying here...

It could be. I was thinking of something that would assist with infrastructure specifically, such as Truckage Logistics, accompanying haulers, freighters. Skill bonuses may be as mundane as a 15% bonus to ECM Target Jammer strength per level on the Caldari end, plus a 5% bonus to the ship inertia modifier on the Minmatar end, with a role bonus of an additional 50% warp speed and warp acceleration. Less cargo space than a Wreathe, less effective at long-distance jamming than a Blackbird, faster than either with no bubble immunity nor covops cloak.

But, in a pinch, it’s a Lockbreaker Bomb that you can fly.

Alternately thought about a Tanker, with separate hold specifically for Fuels or what-have-you...

...and now you know why I’m not a dev.


Pirate hauler is a very new idea though. Going to take a while figuring out exactly how they are different from the other haulers, which do their jobs just fine, though.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2016-11-04 02:44:28 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Hetu Hegirin wrote:

So, too, did the Citadel, and the Upwell Consortium that brought them to New Eden was again an effort that pulled specialists from across the cluster: Chemal Tech, Eifyr & Co., Intaki Bank, Mordu's Legion, Ytiri and Zoar & Sons. Members of each empire forging ahead in the pursuit of commercial glory. Here, it may be argued that a pattern in emerging, where NPC corporations behave a little more like player corporations, independent of national interests not overlapping with their own.


Combining four corporations while a war going of factions.
To be honest it looks so ridiculous and absurd that Hollywood seriyaly on this background looks very good.
Look what happens: There is a war over disputed territory, kill each other. And then a miracle occurs on the background of the war is the friendship of large construction corporations of these fractions.
Who is it all Coined ? RollUgh

About the Citadels which can build without a good attitude to the fraction I generally keep quiet.

So it rewriting Lora so-so. 5/10


Have you never read that fiction about Ishukone striking deals with Mordu's Legion and the Gallente Federation during the midst of the Second Caldari-Gallente War? Or the part in Templar One where Mordu's Legion, Republic Fleet, Black Eagles and Ishukone Home Guard came together to battle the Golden Fleet over Pike's Landing, Amamake (during the Empyrean War no less).

Wars in Eve Online are never that black and white. Even during wars, Corporations, which might not have the vested interest in acquiring territories or whatever from a war, will still do business with each other, even if one of them is expressly headquartered inside an opposing faction's territory. For corporations, nationalism is not nearly as important as the opportunity to turn a profit.

Besides, most of these NPC corporations listed as being part of Upwell are neutral.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deckel
Island Paradise
#43 - 2016-11-04 04:28:28 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Pirate hauler is a very new idea though. Going to take a while figuring out exactly how they are different from the other haulers, which do their jobs just fine, though.


Just throwing this out there:

Role Bonus: +50% effectiveness of Hull upgrade modules (Expanded Cargoholds, Nanofiber Internal Structures, Reinforced Bulkheads)
Warp Speed +50%

Minmatar bonus 4% bonus to hull damage resistance per level
Caldari Bonus 1km range bonus to Smartbomb and ECM Burst per level.


Ship fitting will be a fight for the lowslots to utilize hull tanking and utility as a transporter, but can still be fitted for a unique use in fleet combat for AOE effects. I would also be tempted to put a generic turret rate of fire or optimal range bonus just in case the user does not want smartbombs for all their highslot weapons.

Possible fleet hanger and a natural warp core strength of 2
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2016-11-04 12:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Have you never read that fiction about Ishukone striking deals with Mordu's Legion and the Gallente Federation during the midst of the Second Caldari-Gallente War? Or the part in Templar One where Mordu's Legion, Republic Fleet, Black Eagles and Ishukone Home Guard came together to battle the Golden Fleet over Pike's Landing, Amamake (during the Empyrean War no less).

Wars in Eve Online are never that black and white. Even during wars, Corporations, which might not have the vested interest in acquiring territories or whatever from a war, will still do business with each other, even if one of them is expressly headquartered inside an opposing faction's territory. For corporations, nationalism is not nearly as important as the opportunity to turn a profit.

Besides, most of these NPC corporations listed as being part of Upwell are neutral.


Hmm .. then Amarr corporations need to be friends with a drifter. For the sake of profit and gain. RollLol
Templar One - I consider this book an alternative history. CCP should also declare the book alternative history, and not a poster that have spoiled character.
Quote:
Tony Gonzales was the writer of The Empyrean Age and Templar One, and had a significant influence on the storyline around the Empyrean Age era. His ideas for EVE were of a much more black and white universe, where Amarr were the villains and Gallente and Minmatar were the heroes. He created the whole Karsoth arc, Jamyl's return from the dead + Other, the superweapon, Tibus Heth, the Broker, and so on. His style of storytelling turned EVE away from a gritty and realistic universe of gray moralities on all sides into a black and white space opera. He also frequently ignored established lore and failed to do research, creating many inconsistencies. CCP eventually got rid of Tony G after a lot of backlash from the playerbase, and they have been working to undo his story arcs for years (such as removing Tibus Heth two years ago).

Most significantly, in my opinion, was the fact that Tony G was extremely anti-Amarr and anti-religion. All of his writings noteably treat Amarr/religious characters extremely poorly: They are either crazy evil fanatics, atheists only pretending to believe, or if they actually are good and wholesome faithful he has them converted away from Amarr for completely arbitrary reasons. His writing was also extremely sexist and very disturbing and poorly thought out in a lot of other ways.

Basically, Tony G was the Incarna of lore. He was the thing that happened that embarrassed and shamed CCP, and it's something they want to distance themselves from and never do again. Ergo, they are not going to replace one [mess up] with another. The most likely outcome of all these developments is either
A) Jamyl gets saved from the Other and becomes a wholesome empress (with her cloning either remaining unchallenged or, potentially, the TC removing the Sacred Flesh doctrine entirely), or
B ) Jamyl is removed, and a Succession Trial occurs between the legitimate Heirs, ending with a proper, legitimate emperor on the throne.

What is a sure thing, though, is that Max Singularity will not be made emperor. It would undo all of their attempts to fix the lore.

Guess who wrote it :)
Oh, I almost forgot.
Players are given a choice of options on August 21 in Safizon system (Stand and watch)
Not a chance. Roll

I hope that the Federation, the Republic and the Caldari State will provide the opportunity to choose your path.

It's funny but right now Amarr - crazy evil fanatics LolLol
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2016-11-04 15:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Have you never read that fiction about Ishukone striking deals with Mordu's Legion and the Gallente Federation during the midst of the Second Caldari-Gallente War? Or the part in Templar One where Mordu's Legion, Republic Fleet, Black Eagles and Ishukone Home Guard came together to battle the Golden Fleet over Pike's Landing, Amamake (during the Empyrean War no less).

Wars in Eve Online are never that black and white. Even during wars, Corporations, which might not have the vested interest in acquiring territories or whatever from a war, will still do business with each other, even if one of them is expressly headquartered inside an opposing faction's territory. For corporations, nationalism is not nearly as important as the opportunity to turn a profit.

Besides, most of these NPC corporations listed as being part of Upwell are neutral.


Hmm .. then Amarr corporations need to be friends with a drifter. For the sake of profit and gain. RollLol
Templar One - I consider this book an alternative history. CCP should also declare the book alternative history, and not a poster that have spoiled character.
Quote:
Tony Gonzales was the writer of The Empyrean Age and Templar One, and had a significant influence on the storyline around the Empyrean Age era. His ideas for EVE were of a much more black and white universe, where Amarr were the villains and Gallente and Minmatar were the heroes. He created the whole Karsoth arc, Jamyl's return from the dead + Other, the superweapon, Tibus Heth, the Broker, and so on. His style of storytelling turned EVE away from a gritty and realistic universe of gray moralities on all sides into a black and white space opera. He also frequently ignored established lore and failed to do research, creating many inconsistencies. CCP eventually got rid of Tony G after a lot of backlash from the playerbase, and they have been working to undo his story arcs for years (such as removing Tibus Heth two years ago).

Most significantly, in my opinion, was the fact that Tony G was extremely anti-Amarr and anti-religion. All of his writings noteably treat Amarr/religious characters extremely poorly: They are either crazy evil fanatics, atheists only pretending to believe, or if they actually are good and wholesome faithful he has them converted away from Amarr for completely arbitrary reasons. His writing was also extremely sexist and very disturbing and poorly thought out in a lot of other ways.

Basically, Tony G was the Incarna of lore. He was the thing that happened that embarrassed and shamed CCP, and it's something they want to distance themselves from and never do again. Ergo, they are not going to replace one [mess up] with another. The most likely outcome of all these developments is either
A) Jamyl gets saved from the Other and becomes a wholesome empress (with her cloning either remaining unchallenged or, potentially, the TC removing the Sacred Flesh doctrine entirely), or
B ) Jamyl is removed, and a Succession Trial occurs between the legitimate Heirs, ending with a proper, legitimate emperor on the throne.

What is a sure thing, though, is that Max Singularity will not be made emperor. It would undo all of their attempts to fix the lore.

Guess who wrote it :)
Oh, I almost forgot.
Players are given a choice of options on August 21 in Safizon system (Stand and watch)
Not a chance. Roll

I hope that the Federation, the Republic and the Caldari State will provide the opportunity to choose your path.

It's funny but right now Amarr - crazy evil fanatics LolLol


Unfortunately, until CCP declares otherwise, everything that has happened in all the novels are to be considered Prime Fiction.

Also, unless the Drifter cares about profit, they aren't about to start doing business with anyone. Likewise, the Drifter killing Empress Jamyl more or less torpedoed any chance for cooperation between Drifters and the Empire.

On the other hand, everyone in the Upwell does share the same interest in a very specific way of making profit. The reason why the three fleets in the Battle of Amamake worked together was because they all shared the same interest of acquiring the clone soldier technology found on Pike's Landing (while the Golden Fleet is trying to scrub the Templar program entire). Unless there actually is shared interest, cooperation and diplomacy aren't going to happen.

Again, Eve Online is never black-and-white. No such thing as a pure good faction, no such thing as complete altruism or pure motives or anything. If you come in here expecting good-guy-bad-guy you came to the wrong place. This here is the universe of backbiting, vested interests, hidden motives and smiling at your enemies while plotting to come up on top behind their backs.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2016-11-04 15:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Again, Eve Online is never black-and-white. No such thing as a pure good faction, no such thing as complete altruism or pure motives or anything. If you come in here expecting good-guy-bad-guy you came to the wrong place. This here is the universe of backbiting, vested interests, hidden motives and smiling at your enemies while plotting to come up on top behind their backs.


What ? ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

And then the good and bad ?
What are you talking about ?
And then the ratio of factions and corporations to the good and bad ? And here's this ?

Compare Mordu's Legion with Zoar and Sons is a little true test.
Mordu's Legion - mercenaries.
Zoar and Sons - Imperial Corporation which has great connections with the Imperial court.
It turns Corporation has betrayed the ideals of the Empire for the sake of profit.
Also do not forget that the very religious Amarr and appearance Stations for them this tradition.
The world was gray until 21 August 2015. Now, from the Amarr Empire trying to do good and Correctly the Fanatics.

And the whole court the game was precisely during the reign of Jamyl Sarum. Now everything is so good that already disgusting to watch.
So simple adopted the Khanid.
So simple have forgotten that the Council can not be an even number.
Forgot that Tetrimon, can in no way be the guarantor of succession. Even if they perform testament Jamyl Sarum.


That's why I'm waiting for the ССP will throw the Empire and will be engaged in other factions.
For me, the Empire they failed. Sad
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2016-11-04 16:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Again, Eve Online is never black-and-white. No such thing as a pure good faction, no such thing as complete altruism or pure motives or anything. If you come in here expecting good-guy-bad-guy you came to the wrong place. This here is the universe of backbiting, vested interests, hidden motives and smiling at your enemies while plotting to come up on top behind their backs.


What ? ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

And then the good and bad ?
What are you talking about ?
And then the ratio of factions and corporations to the good and bad ? And here's this ?



The answer is: None.

None of them is good or bad. They are all various shades of grey. All of them.

The Amarr Empire promotes charity and righteousness but at the same time promotes generational slavery as the way towards Godliness for anyone who isn't True Amarr or Khanid.

The Caldari State can't be said to be the good guys either. They are usually practical to the point of amorality. They will sabotage, cheat, steal, buy out the competition, even murder, if this is what's needed to preserve the best interest of the State and its people.

Neither can the Minmatar Republic, who will go through great lengths to secure the best interest of the Tribes, even if it means terrorism, slaying entire settlements of perfectly innocent people to emancipate slaves or fight their own allies in their pursuit of justice against whoever has wronged the Tribes, be considered 'good' either.

Neither the Gallente Federation, who for all their cries to give freedom to everyone, ultimately look to their self-interest first and generally consider any regime that is unlike theirs to be undesirable to some extent and will even meddle if they felt it's justified enough, no matter the consequences.

Even CONCORD is not entirely clean. They take their mandate seriously enough that they will violate the sovereign of other nations and perform sabotage in the pursuit of their fulfilling of their mandate. Or even the Sisters of Eve, who have their own hidden agendas and is more than happy to withhold well-needed supplies to apply political pressure and will happily hide things away from prying eyes if it suits their interest.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Tablecat
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2016-12-16 15:07:22 UTC
Caldari and Minmatar have the misfortune of being allied with each other's enemies. They do share a common bond -- a love of missiles. The perfect marriage of good ol' chemical propellant and hi-tech guidance systems.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2016-12-19 08:09:08 UTC
Tablecat wrote:
Caldari and Minmatar have the misfortune of being allied with each other's enemies. They do share a common bond -- a love of missiles. The perfect marriage of good ol' chemical propellant and hi-tech guidance systems.


You forgot the love for shield-based defense systems (though the Minmatar are less averse to using armour tank when sig-tanking is the order of the day).

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

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