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What would be the moment to move into a lower security area for mining?
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Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-17 04:17:50 UTC
So I just bought and outfitted my very first Retriever Mining Barge, and just by mining in high-sec, I made about 4 million in 3 hours, which is about 13.7 ISK per unit of Massive Scordite. I've heard that even in low-sec, some minerals can go into 1'000 ISK per unit. When would I be able to move into a location that would allow for better profits. (Moderately safely.) As of now, I'm not part of any corp, and don't really have anybody to back me up.
Fallenlassen
#2 - 2011-12-17 04:23:41 UTC
Vito Tattaglia wrote:
So I just bought and outfitted my very first Retriever Mining Barge, and just by mining in high-sec, I made about 4 million in 3 hours, which is about 13.7 ISK per unit of Massive Scordite. I've heard that even in low-sec, some minerals can go into 1'000 ISK per unit. When would I be able to move into a location that would allow for better profits. (Moderately safely.) As of now, I'm not part of any corp, and don't really have anybody to back me up.


Hire mercenaries to defend your mining barge. In return offer them 10% of your plenteous yield.
Random Austrene
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-17 04:23:42 UTC
Never, mining is low-sec is like being an 6 year old next to Camp Pedo. Sure it sounds like a good idea but sooner or later someone is going to end up dead.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2011-12-17 04:29:38 UTC
if you are going to ninja-mine in low-sec, you are going to want something a lot smaller and more agile than a mining barge unless you have protection.

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Phizban
The Needs Of The Few
#5 - 2011-12-17 04:30:27 UTC
The simple answer is usually the correct one, so I am also going with NEVER.

That said, join a small simple mining corp that can offer you some company, some Orca bonuses, and a replacement ship for WHEN you get ganked.

Like mine.

^^ See what I did there?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#6 - 2011-12-17 04:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
When you're comfortable risking the value of your ship for the profits you would earn. Feel free to roam around lowsec in a shuttle or cheap frigate with a cloak, get a feel for the regions and how active they are, and see who likes to stick around.
Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-17 04:41:30 UTC
Fallenlassen wrote:
Hire mercenaries to defend your mining barge. In return offer them 10% of your plenteous yield.

So they'll take it and then blow him up themselves.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#8 - 2011-12-17 04:50:35 UTC
Not a good idea to mine in less than a .5 solo. You can find nice quiet lowsec systems to mine in without seeing another soul for hours, but getting the mins in and out will be a time-consuming dangerous hassle.

No good deed goes unpunished
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#9 - 2011-12-17 05:23:05 UTC
If you want to mine in Lowsec, find a nice quiet system with little traffic or camps, scan down a grav site, and mine there. It's somewhat safer than sitting in a belt, where one can just fly up with a stealthbomber and send torpedoes up your exhaust.

Also, if you just got your first retriever, don't. As soon as you cross into lowsec, assume you're never getting that ship back. It's a good rule to live with.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-17 05:29:17 UTC
Join an alliance with a big 0.0 sov and mine in the middle of it, keep eye on local and warp out when a neut enters

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Phizban
The Needs Of The Few
#11 - 2011-12-17 05:40:24 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Join an alliance with a big 0.0 sov and mine in the middle of it, keep eye on local and warp out when a neut enters


Man I remember when that was exciting.

Also note you can't tank the rats solo in a Retriever, you'll have to run home to mamma whenever they spawn.
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#12 - 2011-12-17 05:47:00 UTC
NEVER, NEVER, Never, ever, ever, ever, ever... Fly a ship you can not afford to lose... Especially as a miner. 1st rule in EvE... period.

... did I say never?

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Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#13 - 2011-12-17 05:56:20 UTC
Never. Low sec mineral gains aren't enough to offset the risk (I WILL kill you if I see you in low).

Stick to high sec and hope I'm not bored enough to jump in from the adjacent lowsec and warp onto you with a few friends in Thrashers.

That or go to NPC nullsec and figure out a way to sell your product.
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#14 - 2011-12-17 06:07:26 UTC
Drachiel wrote:
Never. Low sec mineral gains aren't enough to offset the risk (I WILL kill you if I see you in low).

Stick to high sec and hope I'm not bored enough to jump in from the adjacent lowsec and warp onto you with a few friends in Thrashers.

That or go to NPC nullsec and figure out a way to sell your product.



Indeed. They should just add a new mineral that can only be gotten from lowsec (and possibly null too). ONLY by mining, not reprocessing loot and drone poo.

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Castor II
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-17 06:12:38 UTC
Jask Avan wrote:
Fallenlassen wrote:
Hire mercenaries to defend your mining barge. In return offer them 10% of your plenteous yield.

So they'll take it and then blow him up themselves.


Wow, I see nothing gets past you P
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#16 - 2011-12-17 06:40:34 UTC
Never mine in lolsex.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#17 - 2011-12-17 06:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Vito Tattaglia wrote:
[...]13.7 ISK per unit of Massive Scordite. I've heard that even in low-sec, some minerals can go into 1'000 ISK per unit.

Mining yield is fixed in volume (cubic meters) and variable in ore unit count.
Veldspar for instance is 0.1 cubic meters per unit, while Crokite is 16 cubic meters per unit.
If you have a mining laser with a yield of 1,600 cubic meters per cycle, you get 100 units of Crokite per cycle, but 16,000 units of Veldspar per cycle.

So what matters the most is ISK income per cubic meter, not value of a unit of ore.

http://www.bsacse.amxg4.com/tools/index.php?id=oreincome
There you can see the relatively current and sufficiently accurate estimates of the value of a cubic meter of ore of each type.
Sometimes it does not work right and you have to come back later.

Some of the ore values PER CUBIC METER as of a relatively short while ago for
highsec ores : Veldspar, Scordite - roughly 100 ISK/m^3 ;
most valuable highsec ore : Pyroxeres - roughly 135 ISK/m^3 ;
typical lowsec ores : Hedbergite, Hemorphite - roughly 160 ISK/m^3 ;
most valuable 0.0 "regular" ore : Arkonor - roughly 350 ISK/m^3.

As you can see, the most valuable 0.0 ore is not even 3 times more profitable than the best highsec ore.
Some 0.0-only ores (like Spodumain) give a worse income than some highsec ores, and most lowsec ores are barely slightly more valuable than highsec ores.

P.S. So, basically, unless you can mine in deep, safe, alliance-controlled 0.0 space or alternatively, in a reasonably well-maintained W-space op... don't bother moving out of highsec.

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Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#18 - 2011-12-17 06:45:28 UTC
Riley Moore wrote:
Drachiel wrote:
Never. Low sec mineral gains aren't enough to offset the risk (I WILL kill you if I see you in low).

Stick to high sec and hope I'm not bored enough to jump in from the adjacent lowsec and warp onto you with a few friends in Thrashers.

That or go to NPC nullsec and figure out a way to sell your product.



Indeed. They should just add a new mineral that can only be gotten from lowsec (and possibly null too). ONLY by mining, not reprocessing loot and drone poo.


Or move an existing one. Like Zydrine. :Trollface:

Or maybe completely get rid of all highsec morphite.
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-12-17 06:53:23 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
if you are going to ninja-mine in low-sec, you are going to want something a lot smaller and more agile than a mining barge unless you have protection.


untrue, the best way to mine in lowsec is with a large group of people you trust, yes you can find them in eve.

get into system, strip the place bare as fast as you can, then leave. it works well if you have the balls and the man power to do it. 20 ships should be able to clear out a system before you are noticed.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#20 - 2011-12-17 07:14:47 UTC
Hecatonis wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
if you are going to ninja-mine in low-sec, you are going to want something a lot smaller and more agile than a mining barge unless you have protection.


untrue, the best way to mine in lowsec is with a large group of people you trust, yes you can find them in eve.

get into system, strip the place bare as fast as you can, then leave. it works well if you have the balls and the man power to do it. 20 ships should be able to clear out a system before you are noticed.


Other then the rush, there is very little reason to do so. The risks far exceed the profit difference from mining in HS. If your able to get 20 miners together at a time you might as well look for a null alliance or rent a system. Its far more profitably and oddly enough safer.

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