EVE New Citizens Q&A

I started playing yesterday after coming across eve pvp videos on youtube. I did the military tutorials and got the ship and modules and thought I would go out and find a fight. I didn't really have any idea where I was going but I ended up getting more then I bargained for.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/52697803/

I didn't get to activate any modules haha but it was still exciting. Question though is all I want to do is pvp in small groups not the big fleet fights, can anyone direct me as to what skills i need to be useful in these situations.

That's awesome! I'd first recommend checking out the Recommended skills for new players page at the Eve University Wiki.

Also, if you're interested in PvP and not yet ready to join a player organization, there are a number of groups that run open PvP fleets, often called "NPSI" or "Not-purple-shoot-it" fleets. (Purple is the default color for members of your fleet on the overview.)

This is an old post that lists a number of groups that run NPSI fleets. A few of those groups may no longer exist, but I know a number are still active, and I recommend starting there to interact with other players who love that style of gameplay. Flying in those fleets will both help you learn game mechanics and terminology and also you might just meet some fellow players whose friendships may lead you to off-the-beaten-path places to get PvP experience.

Thank you for all the replies, I have plenty of reading to do. If i start on my core skills like suggested it will be quite some time before I'm able to actually train ships and weapon system, is this ok? Without skilling up my guns and ships etc wont I just be blown away in fights because i cant do any damage?

Awesome thanks for that quick reply. I think I would like to stay small, I doubt i will ever have the in game financial freedom to replace big ship losses. I was thinking about aiming for an assault frigate and being gallente maybe the enyo and see where this leads. Thanks for the wise words so far hope some of these people that I lose ships to will give me pointers as well.

Eve is not a linear game with a set path of progression. There are no inherent shoulds or should nots. I think what J'Poll was trying to say is that what skills you need for PvP very much depends on your playstyle and your interests. Other games have a path to get to "end game" PvP. End game PvP does not exist in this game. There is no structured PvP in this game. Anything goes here in Eve, well nearly everything.

So back to what I think J'Polls point was. That is that he can recommend core skills without knowing anything about you or what your likes and tastes are. To give more specific advice he'd have to know more. He's not saying only train core skills but that he can recommend those and know for sure that you will have immediate use of them.

What I can say about Eve skills in general is that each skill level takes 5 times as long as the previous skill level to train. There fore each skill level gives you exponential less benefit per timeframe. Therefore in nearly all cases you are better off training faster training skills first.

There are apps out there like Evemon that let you make skill plans and rearrange stuff and play with attributes and implants and such however you can do what I am about to recommend with the in game skill queue once you have a full member ship and are beyond the 24 hour limitation. So what I suggest is to queue up the skills that you want to train and arrange them by shortest to train to longest to train.

If you have not seen the Eveiseasy youtube channel then here is one of my favorite links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k

That is more to show you that you don't need to worry about so much about what skills you train and worry more about the experiences that you gain.

So just play the game and the knowledge will come and you will come to know what your skill training priorities should be. Before you get to that point don't worry too much because you'd be hard pressed to train skills that you won't use at this point.

Probably the last point that I want to make is that this game is more about match ups and counters than it is about fine tuning stats or anything like that. Knowing what fights to take and which to run from take experience. No worries however because the short term solution is just to fly with pilots that know more than you do and learn from them as you go.

TL;dr
This is not a game about skill points but your personal player skills so don't stress about the queue too much.

From the Redemption Road Forums, this seems about right, and also we run Public NPSI/Small Gang PvP Roams

They are a source of much angst among some sections of the EVE community and a source of great rejoicing in others.

Personally, I bought a heap of them for a combination of both ISK and selling PLEX I'd purchased. Mind you, I'd also just spent 18 odd months almost exclusively flying Frigates while climbing Mount Core Skills. Knocking over a bunch of Cruiser skills and saving myself 26 days of Advanced Weapons Upgrades V was worth it, for me.

While injectors are very useful and can certainly cut down on the training time required to get through some skills, I'd be very wary about advising any newbro to shell out a big stack of readies to get them. It comes down to your personal finances. If dropping $100 on PLEX to sell is no big deal for you, then go wild. If you need that $100 for somewhat more important things (like food, rent, etc) then no.

In any case, I'd suggest you wait a little while and try out a bunch of different things before going down that path. You can 'get by' with most skills at III-IV, which is usually a pretty quick train. Save you $$$ or ISK until you have a better idea what to spend such things on.

Actual piloting knowledge and player skill (as opposed to SP skill) counts for a lot in EVE, for example, here is a 17 day old character in a Rifter (flown by an experienced player): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k

There's much more to EVE than Skillpoints.

The most valuable things you can have in this game are Friends and Trust. Both of which are worth way more than any amount of ISK or SP.

edit: here's some more reading for you...
1: EVE PvP For Newbies
2: EWAR For Newbies

+1. You'll do very well, and have a lot of fun, in EVE if you keep this sort of attitude.

AUTZ you say? welcome mate!

I'm normally online before/after downtime too, so add my combat alt: sambo Inkura to your buddy list and I'll add you to mine.

I'll go pewpew with you!

I personally believe there is something inherently wrong with skillinjectors.



You seam to feel the same. However, you could buy charactors with 80MSP for the last 5 years and chars with less SP for 10 years. I used to do recruitment for my corp and folk that buy chars made my life not exactly easier.

That being said, if you want to get the fitting skills done in a hurry just buy the SP early on. If you cross 5MSP you get less SP out of one injector then was put in to create one. I would even encourage you to do so, because I once gave the advice to create the account, get the basic fitting skills and don't play the char for about 3 weeks and then start playing the game because it's no fun at all not to be unable to bring a proper fitting because the game wont let you. If you however fill your head to the point where you produce amusing killmails with your 2 weeks old toon, you will look a fool.