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Is Exploration scalable?
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#21 - 2016-03-20 21:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Lulu Lunette wrote:
I love my Helios. I can probe and back almost lazily. I think speed and a peace of mind is what you get for 30-80x the price. Only T1 exploration Frigate I use anymore is the Astero and the only T2 I use is a Helios.

The Astero is pretty awesome. Tanks like a little brick and has some teeth to chew down hostiles. It is well worth the lower scan and probing strength.

How did you Veterans start?
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#22 - 2016-03-21 00:09:12 UTC
Is Shi wrote:

I should've probably asked a more direct question - can you make 30 times more ISK flying around on a ship 30 times more expensive than the most primitive one? I guess the answer is No.

Am I missing any significant part of exploration (in loot terms) flying on T1 vs T2 mostly in wormhole space? I guess the answer is also No.


If you're carrying ISK200m in your hold and a hostile comes hunting, you the CovOps has a far better chance of survival than the T1. In that scenario BOTH ships are 'worth' >200m.

Loot found while out exploring is only 'ISK made' once you get it back to a trade hub and sell it.

In terms of what will drop from any given can, that's in the hands of the RNG Gods.

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Chidiocke Tycheborne
The Hidden Emporium
#23 - 2016-03-23 14:54:21 UTC
Is Shi wrote:
I've played Eve for a few days spending all my time on Exploration. My current setup is Heron which with all the modules and rigs I use costs about 1 Mil ISK. I've been to Hi and Mid sec and mostly Wormhole space, made about 100 Mil ISK including a single 30 Mil hit on a relic site in -1.0.

Even the worst site brings in a few Mil ISK so I can easily afford losing this ship now and then, although using all the advise I found and being careful I lost only 1 ship so far.

Now looking at how people do Exploration on T2 ship with cloaks and all, it seems that at that level your setup costs 200+ Mil ISK and I'm not sure if exploration rewards scale up that much. Are there any rewards that are worth running x200 more expensive ship than the one I have?


I almost only do 0.0 sites, and recently got c 300m from 3 relic sites and a total of c 20 mins "work". So yes, it may scale very well. Standard payout from three decent relic/good relic sites would usually be about 150m and would easily cover the cost of a fited T2 covops frigate. I would most likely cover the cost of a fited Astero as well. The main time scaling benefits are in hacking speed, success rate and ability to find the sites in the first place as skills and experience iimprove.
Chidiocke Tycheborne
The Hidden Emporium
#24 - 2016-03-23 14:59:57 UTC
Is Shi wrote:


Am I missing any significant part of exploration (in loot terms) flying on T1 vs T2 mostly in wormhole space? I guess the answer is also No.


My Bob yes.
Any regular faction relic site in 0.0 (incl wh-space) is very likely bring you more isk from one can than an entire high relic sec site. You can't do regular data/relic sites in wh-space in a T1 frigate, you will explode.
Lord Harrowmont
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2016-03-23 20:54:49 UTC
Is Shi wrote:
I've played Eve for a few days spending all my time on Exploration. My current setup is Heron which with all the modules and rigs I use costs about 1 Mil ISK. I've been to Hi and Mid sec and mostly Wormhole space, made about 100 Mil ISK including a single 30 Mil hit on a relic site in -1.0.

Even the worst site brings in a few Mil ISK so I can easily afford losing this ship now and then, although using all the advise I found and being careful I lost only 1 ship so far.

Now looking at how people do Exploration on T2 ship with cloaks and all, it seems that at that level your setup costs 200+ Mil ISK and I'm not sure if exploration rewards scale up that much. Are there any rewards that are worth running x200 more expensive ship than the one I have?

I can't hack guarded sites and I don't go into null sec but otherwise it seems that I already have a fair access to the rest of it, about 80% of my hacks are successful with my few days of skill training so I still have a lot of room for improvement at this level.




I highly recommend exploration as a means to build capital.

For new players such as ourselves, I have found it most viable. Even with a small investment one can easily return with up to 300 million per day, if not more.

I currently use the Magnate with an investment of circa 2 million in modules, and do not plan on upgrading it as it seems to do all that is required. I have explored numerouse Worhomes going all the way to C6 and managed fine.

Wishing you the best of luck.
Teium Purvanen
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-03-24 10:07:48 UTC
I'm a relatively new player and I do exploration as well.

The reason for a T2 covert ops is for 2 reasons

• Cloak while warp and moving - increased safety for flying around null sec. Yes I agree that losing a T1 frig when you have 200+ mill isnt worth caring about, but when you've got a billion in your cargo hold and you get caught on the move because you're not cloaked.......well which would you rather have?

• T2 gives bonus to hacking. The sites in null are harder to hack so you'll blow up a fair amount in a T1. in a T2 you give yourself a better chance
Is Shi
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-03-24 12:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Is Shi
Lord Harrowmont wrote:


I highly recommend exploration as a means to build capital.

For new players such as ourselves, I have found it most viable. Even with a small investment one can easily return with up to 300 million per day, if not more.

I currently use the Magnate with an investment of circa 2 million in modules, and do not plan on upgrading it as it seems to do all that is required. I have explored numerouse Worhomes going all the way to C6 and managed fine.

Wishing you the best of luck.


I did exploration for a week and I barely got 150 mil out of it in WH space, 300 mil "easily" per day sounds like impossible number to me.

Most of data/relic sites in WH are guarded so you can't hack them, those you can hack bring 7-20 mil and finding them takes hours. I did find 40mil can but it happened only once.

Maybe you have all skills up to V including fighting skills and you also have a ship to kill rats?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-03-24 18:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
The high numbers come from relic site runs in nullsec, preferred Sansha space like Stain, Providence, Catch or Esoteria because of the intact armor plates as loot. In wormhole space you may find pirate sites, but every faction not only the "right" ones, and a lot of other (for you in this situation) useless stuff.

BTW, 150m for a one week char is pretty good. Blink

I'm my own NPC alt.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#29 - 2016-03-24 19:36:17 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
The high numbers come from relic site runs in nullsec, preferred Sansha space like Stain, Providence, Catch or Esoteria because of the intact armor plates as loot. In wormhole space you may find pirate sites, but every faction not only the "right" ones, and a lot of other (for you in this situation) useless stuff.

BTW, 150m for a one week char is pretty good. Blink


I remember breaking the bank for a Vexor Big smile

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Is Shi
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-03-24 19:43:27 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
The high numbers come from relic site runs in nullsec, preferred Sansha space like Stain, Providence, Catch or Esoteria because of the intact armor plates as loot. In wormhole space you may find pirate sites, but every faction not only the "right" ones, and a lot of other (for you in this situation) useless stuff.

BTW, 150m for a one week char is pretty good. Blink


As I understood he's running Magnate in WH space for easy 300 mil a day that's why I was surprised by numbers.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#31 - 2016-03-24 19:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Persephone Alleile
300 mil a day sounds like a bit of an exaggeration to me, else he's spending a lot of time exploring. I do a lot of exploration in w-space and there ARE some nights were I make well over 300 mil, there's also plenty of nights where I scan and scan and scan and don't find anything.

Last night I found 4 relic sites in a C2 and netted around 160 mil (most of it from one nice can) was a pretty good night for me.
Lord Harrowmont
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2016-03-24 20:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Harrowmont
Is Shi wrote:
Lord Harrowmont wrote:


I highly recommend exploration as a means to build capital.

For new players such as ourselves, I have found it most viable. Even with a small investment one can easily return with up to 300 million per day, if not more.

I currently use the Magnate with an investment of circa 2 million in modules, and do not plan on upgrading it as it seems to do all that is required. I have explored numerouse Worhomes going all the way to C6 and managed fine.

Wishing you the best of luck.


I did exploration for a week and I barely got 150 mil out of it in WH space, 300 mil "easily" per day sounds like impossible number to me.

Most of data/relic sites in WH are guarded so you can't hack them, those you can hack bring 7-20 mil and finding them takes hours. I did find 40mil can but it happened only once.

Maybe you have all skills up to V including fighting skills and you also have a ship to kill rats?



Yes your quite right.

There can be alot of variance between sites. Sometimes you come back empty handed. The wormholes going into C1-C3 relic & data sites are unguarded I believe, but I tend to branch everywhere to be more efficent.

The trick is to find the good sites, what I do is simply take a WH from a High sec system into a Null sec.


Edit: Here are few screenshots of some of the sites. Definitely worth skilling into due to its lucrativity. A majority of the EVE populace are too scared to wander in or are unknowledgeable of its exploits, hence it being much more safer. If, if, done correctly and abit of luck from Bob, Bob the Wormhole god.

http://imgur.com/B34gKfv

http://imgur.com/0UzXu36
Lord Harrowmont
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2016-03-24 21:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Harrowmont
Tipa Riot wrote:
The high numbers come from relic site runs in nullsec, preferred Sansha space like Stain, Providence, Catch or Esoteria because of the intact armor plates as loot



I can entierly agree with this statement, intact plates have been a majority of my high finds.
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