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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#81 - 2016-03-26 14:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Black Pedro wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
The code is nonsense.

There is no "boting" anymore since multiboxing is illegal. What a crap.

I make up a code now:
From now on everyone has to change their underwear every day and so we can check up on that everyone has to wear their underwear outside. Obay or get bumped! Changing underwear permit a day is 10 mill isk btw.

Ever heard about dictatorship? I want to play and not obay a dictator.

If multiboxer would still be in the icefields I would support those guys for sure.

Personally, I think your "code" is a little silly (not to mention outside the actual game), but if you can enforce it, then more power to you.

Sadly, from all appearances you seem to just be another impotent carebear, more content to whine about how unfair the game is than to do anything about it in-game.

If you don't like something someone has said or how they are acting in New Eden, then go shoot them in the face as is tradition, not moan about how ineffectual you feel to these forums. We don't care.


Well you know, the difference between you and me is, that I write about alternatives. It´s not about me cause most of the years I played in Eve I did live in a WH. So I could care less about Highsec.

But HIGHSEC is highsec and except rats or missions nothing kills you. Gankers in highsec just not have the balls to survive and make a living somewhere else. Easy pray for them in highsec, weak targets and here and there we abuse some game mechanics to gank more isk out of basicaly pilots who just started the game. And miners and freighters - ah well, they can not shoot back very well. How proud must I be to kill one.

Not fair. Sorry.

Then declare everything to 0.0, lowsec or a giant WH and everybody can do everything- and get guns on a freighter then. I am fine with that too and we could close the discussion.

And you are right Pedro. Boting and underwear is just silly. There is none in game. No "code" needed.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#82 - 2016-03-26 14:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Fred Kyong wrote:
Well you know, the difference between you and me is, that I write about alternatives. It´s not about me cause most of the years I played in Eve I did live in a WH. So I could care less about Highsec.
Yet here you are, making post after post about how unfair highsec is and how it isn't what you want it to be. Because you don't care, right?

Fred Kyong wrote:
But HIGHSEC is highsec. Gankers in highsec just not have the balls to survive and make a living somewhere else. Easy pray for them in highsec, weak targets and here and there we abuse some game mechanics to gank more isk out of basicaly pilots who start the game. And miners and freighters - ah well, they can not shoot back. How proud must I be to kill one.

Not fair. Sorry.

Then declare everything to 0.0 or lowsec and everybody can do everything- and get guns on a freighter.
No one cares how brave or cowardly you think gankers are or what you think is or isn't a fair fight. Highsec is indeed highsec and it has been this way for over a decade: a place where pirates and criminals operate and can explode the unwary. CCP wants it to be this way.

Oh, and don't worry about those new players you seem so concerned for. Careful scientific studies by CCP have shown that players who have been ganked are more likely to subscribe to Eve than those who avoid this intended game play. Both consensual and non-consensual PVP gets new players engaged with the game and opens them to the possibilities that exist in New Eden.

Take your tears, bottle them deep down inside and wander off to your wormhole or wherever it was you came from with what is left of your dignity. You lost a cargo-expanded Orca, big deal. Ships are suppose to explode and this time yours did. Maybe next time you can tank it and pay some attention to what is going on around you. Or not - play how you want.
Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#83 - 2016-03-26 22:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Black Pedro wrote:


Oh, and don't worry about those new players you seem so concerned for. Careful scientific studies by CCP have shown that players who have been ganked are more likely to subscribe to Eve ....


Why you dudes always get so personal?

Ships come and go, corps and alliances, Hullk Events, Goons, Miningbots, and Codes will come and go. Basically you can sit it out.

However, I hope for CCP they also do "very careful scientfic studies" WHY so many players also unsubscribed and left Eve since 2008. To take your words then: Who cares and we will let them take their tears too and I even can hand out tissues to you guys then :)

It all adds to a s.h.i.t list people may have on the desk. There is of course also a little list with positiv things. Not all is bad and I hope they get it but how long did we talk and argue about sov space, structures caps...and other stuff? How fast did it change? Weeks, month, years?

A harsh game play is always good. A unfair one just because all must be big, big, big always and smaller groups or solo players have no chance? Thats the reason we lost so many subscribers.

I love the game still but my payed membership dropped drasticaly since and always when I come back after some month I consider right away how long I will stay again. Does not look good each time.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#84 - 2016-03-26 23:14:11 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:


Oh, and don't worry about those new players you seem so concerned for. Careful scientific studies by CCP have shown that players who have been ganked are more likely to subscribe to Eve ....


Why you dudes always get so personal?

Ships come and go, corps and alliances, Hullk Events, Goons, Miningbots, and Codes will come and go. Basically you can sit it out.

However, I hope for CCP they also do "very careful scientfic studies" WHY so many players also unsubscribed and left Eve since 2008. To take your words then: Who cares and we will let them take their tears too and I even can hand out tissues to you guys then :)

It all adds to a s.h.i.t list people may have on the desk. There is of course also a little list with positiv things. Not all is bad and I hope they get it but how long did we talk and argue about sov space, structures caps...and other stuff? How fast did it change? Weeks, month, years?

A harsh game play is always good. A unfair one just because all must be big, big, big always and smaller groups or solo players have no chance? Thats the reason we lost so many subscribers.

I love the game still but my payed membership dropped drasticaly since and always when I come back after some month I consider right away how long I will stay again. Does not look good each time.

Am I watching a waterfall or something?!
Oh no... Wait... I'm watching a carebear spew crap about game mechanics that are there to stay, even though that same carebear has no clue about EVE.

If you have nothing more to say than "highsec isn't fair" or "durrrr I dieeeeddd whaaaaaaa", you should realize that EVE is a game that, in it's core mechanics, isn't fair for anyone but the people who can take advantages of whatever they can.

You have all the accessories (in-game and out of game) to avoid danger zones, if you don't use those, it's your own problem, not the rest of highsec or lowsec or nullsec or w-space.

Don't even bother answering to this, especially if it's another empty, useless argument.
Ty.

D.

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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2016-03-26 23:32:33 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:

A harsh game play is always good. A unfair one just because all must be big, big, big always and smaller groups or solo players have no chance? Thats the reason we lost so many subscribers.


Wrong again I'm afraid, Fred.

The CODE. Alliance is relatively small (but sharply focused in its activities). I am currently in an NPC corp. I play solo/duo, in Highsec, and I'm having great fun!

So, having disregarded Black Pedro's well-considered counter to your arguments, you desperately unleash yet another wildly inaccurate proposal purporting to support your claim that the situation in Highsec is 'unfair'.

Of course, you have every right to call it as you see it, but I do wish your ability to 'see it' accorded more closely with the facts.

You should think about what you write; any statement about Highsec mechanics including the word 'unfair' is likely to be roundly trounced.

As you seem to have discovered...
Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#86 - 2016-03-27 00:49:08 UTC
You are right Sasha. Right now we can only deal with facts.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#87 - 2016-03-27 01:40:38 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
You are right Sasha. Right now we can only deal with facts.



Yet you said:

[/quote]

The code is nonsense.

There is no "boting" anymore since multiboxing is not allowed anymore. What a crap.

I make up a code now:
From now on everyone has to change their underwear on a every day base. Because we want to check up on that everyone has to wear their underwear outside. Obay or get bumped! Changing underwear permit is 10 mill isk btw. because we want clean pants.

Ever heard about dictatorship? I want to play and not obay a dictator.

If multiboxer would still be in the icefields I would consider supporting these guys. Other that that: Lame![/quote]

The simple fact is nobody was referring to multiboxing when they refer to bot aspirancy or why its bad for the game. And please don't be under any doubts: it IS bad for the game and for the players who are seduced to engage in afk play. They inevitably end up leaving the game quoting "bored" as their reason. Ofc they are bored! they aren't playing the game they are letting their pcs play it for them while they are afk!

What is botting? Botting is having your PC play for you. Its bad for everybody, doing untold damage to the in game economy and robbing legitimate players of the rewards of their hard earned grind. It doesn't matter if you are using an illegal piece of software or just hitting the auto pilot button on that charon then going to walk your dog: YOUR allowing your PC to play for you and your effortless isk/effort is making my isk/effort uncompetitive while I try to actually play the game.

You sir and people like you are ruining the game with bot aspirancy for all the true "carebears" who are trying to play this game the way it was supposed to be played.

We should all be thanking the paladins of the code: they educate the ignorant like you as to the benefits of playing the game properly and they benefit me by keeping my competition honest.

All hail the new order of high sec!

Will gank for food

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#88 - 2016-03-27 01:48:43 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

By the way, if it makes you feel any better, this was a total CODE fail - 7 Brutix at 70m each for a 35m drop..... ;-)


Suicide-Ganking on behalf of the New Order is not undertaken for pecuniary profit, Mr Alt. In my previous incarnation, I regularly suicided double T2 Catalysts for little or no loot, including my own scooped modules and leftover ammo.

It is players such as yourself who try to impose their own narrow measure of success within the Game upon those for whom these things matter little, if at all.

Ours is a grander vision, comprising a significantly more complex set of standards. These standards are set out clearly in The New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Seven Brutixes, did you say? They were effectively dead before they left the hangar; a fact well-known to and accepted by their brave and fearless pilots.

I'm afraid you'll have to do rather better in offering the OP whatever consolation exists outside The Code.





Ugh I keep seeing this argument crop up that people only gank for profit, like its an article of faifth or something. It isn't. You can be flying an empty ship and you will still be ganked.

One of these days I'm going to faction/officer fit a vindicator, push it to a 2k dps 20billion isk monster and I'm going to gank an afk venture with it in perimeter. Just to prove the dam point Shocked

Will gank for food

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#89 - 2016-03-27 02:20:33 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Oh I just won't bother buying another freighter. I'll extract the JF skills and put them toward something else......


if you can fly a Jump Freighter, why didn't you?

Sabotaged wrote:
Idon't even know what red circle your talking about.


open your Galaxy map. Go to the Statistics section, click on 'Ships Killed In Last Hour'. If there's a BIG RED CIRCLE in a hisec system (like, say, Uedama. A known ganking hotspot) on your route, don't go that way.

note: due to wardeccers, Jita almost always has such a big red splodge on it.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#90 - 2016-03-27 09:59:05 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Ugh I keep seeing this argument crop up that people only gank for profit, like its an article of faifth or something.


actually, it's almost an article of fact.

MiniLuv is one of the most profitable arms of the Imperium.
if CODE. isn't making at least enough out of loot to cover their 'accepted' losses, i'd be amazed.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#91 - 2016-03-27 10:36:52 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:

This game is absolutely the harshest - but that is what makes it one of the best, if not the best MMO out there. No other game gives you the heart thumping action of Eve. I've played since 2003 and even now I still get a rush when closing in for a kill, because you always know that there is a chance that you could get blobbed yourself!





Do you still get that adrenaline rush when you post, sweating and breathlessly excited, hiding behind your NPC no-consequence alt? Lol

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#92 - 2016-03-27 13:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Bumblefck wrote:




Do you still get that adrenaline rush when you post, sweating and breathlessly excited, hiding behind your NPC no-consequence alt? Lol



Haha. Correct. They are boting :)
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2016-03-27 13:56:16 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:

if CODE. isn't making at least enough out of loot to cover their 'accepted' losses, i'd be amazed.


Prepare to be amazed, Mephiztopheleze!

The New Order Treasury currently stands at 225.5 Billion Isk. You can actually watch as it periodically dips, reflecting payouts to New Order Agents and Knights (not just members of the CODE. Alliance) in respect of their martyred assets.

Please do reply to this post, quoting our respective remarks and indicating your amazement. I've subscribed to the thread, in anticipation...
Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#94 - 2016-03-27 13:59:33 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:

if CODE. isn't making at least enough out of loot to cover their 'accepted' losses, i'd be amazed.


Prepare to be amazed, Mephiztopheleze!

The New Order Treasury currently stands at 225.5 Billion Isk. You can actually watch as it periodically dips, reflecting payouts to New Order Agents and Knights (not just members of the CODE. Alliance) in respect of their martyred assets.

Please do reply to this post, quoting our respective remarks and indicating your amazement. I've subscribed to the thread, in anticipation...


How many did they plex in there? Looking at Killboard they have a very bad ration in loses vs. ship destroyed. I would fire the whole management there.

Ganking is never win and never was over the long run. It´s just ganking.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#95 - 2016-03-27 14:15:57 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:

How many did they plex in there? Looking at Killboard they have a very bad ration in loses vs. ship destroyed. I would fire the whole management there.
You do realize that for every gank CONCORD inevitably destroys the attacking ship and that is recorded on the killboards? In the case of freighters, that can be dozens that are sacrificed to CONCORD for a single hauler.

The CODE. alliance has the highest ISK efficiency of any top alliance, kills more ships per month (and ISK worth of ships) than any but the largest alliances in the game, and that with only a few percent of their members.

You can quibble over the morality of ganking, or its place in the game, but trying to use the killboard numbers to paint the CODE. alliance as bad is just daft. Those numbers are an order of magnitude or more better than anyone else when normalized per pilot, precisely because of the targets they choose to attack.
Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#96 - 2016-03-27 14:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Black Pedro wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:

How many did they plex in there? Looking at Killboard they have a very bad ration in loses vs. ship destroyed. I would fire the whole management there.
You do realize that for every gank CONCORD inevitably destroys the attacking ship and that is recorded on the killboards? In the case of freighters, that can be dozens that are sacrificed to CONCORD for a single hauler.

The CODE. alliance has the highest ISK efficiency of any top alliance, kills more ships per month (and ISK worth of ships) than any but the largest alliances in the game, and that with only a few percent of their members.

You can quibble over the morality of ganking, or its place in the game, but trying to use the killboard numbers to paint the CODE. alliance as bad is just daft. Those numbers are an order of magnitude or more better than anyone else when normalized per pilot, precisely because of the targets they choose to attack.


Where do you get your figures? Any proof of that?

I still doubt it. If this would be THE business, everyone would do it. It´s just not.

Otherwise: Post a transaction history of the corp wallet here. Now.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#97 - 2016-03-27 14:35:31 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Where do you get your figures? Any proof of that?

I still doubt it. If this would be THE business, everyone would do it. It´s just not.

Otherwise: Post a transaction history of the corp wallet here. Now.
I linked the numbers in my post. The kills and losses of the CODE. alliance are on zKillboard for the world to see. It is a simple matter to see that almost all of the losses of CODE. are to CONCORD and are ships that were already written off when they undocked.

I am confused. Are you arguing that ganking is too hard and not profitable? Because most people crying here usually argue the opposite: that is too easy and profitable.
Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#98 - 2016-03-27 15:09:43 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

This game is absolutely the harshest - but that is what makes it one of the best, if not the best MMO out there. No other game gives you the heart thumping action of Eve. I've played since 2003 and even now I still get a rush when closing in for a kill, because you always know that there is a chance that you could get blobbed yourself!





Do you still get that adrenaline rush when you post, sweating and breathlessly excited, hiding behind your NPC no-consequence alt? Lol


Well Bumble me old mate, unlike some of these monkeys on the forums, I prefer to get my adrenaline rush IN GAME rather than slapping my epeen about on here ;-)

Alt and proud

Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#99 - 2016-03-27 15:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Black Pedro wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
Where do you get your figures? Any proof of that?

I still doubt it. If this would be THE business, everyone would do it. It´s just not.

Otherwise: Post a transaction history of the corp wallet here. Now.
I linked the numbers in my post. The kills and losses of the CODE. alliance are on zKillboard for the world to see. It is a simple matter to see that almost all of the losses of CODE. are to CONCORD and are ships that were already written off when they undocked.

I am confused. Are you arguing that ganking is too hard and not profitable? Because most people crying here usually argue the opposite: that is too easy and profitable.


It does not matter. Concord or not. Loss is lost. ISK burned. Compared to loss and destroyed a very bad ratio, almost 3:1
Papa Book
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2016-03-27 15:52:37 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
Where do you get your figures? Any proof of that?

I still doubt it. If this would be THE business, everyone would do it. It´s just not.

Otherwise: Post a transaction history of the corp wallet here. Now.
I linked the numbers in my post. The kills and losses of the CODE. alliance are on zKillboard for the world to see. It is a simple matter to see that almost all of the losses of CODE. are to CONCORD and are ships that were already written off when they undocked.

I am confused. Are you arguing that ganking is too hard and not profitable? Because most people crying here usually argue the opposite: that is too easy and profitable.


It does not matter. Concord or not. Loss is lost. ISK burned. Compared to loss and destroyed a very bad ratio, almost 3:1


I would argue that ISK is all that matters as lose is real in EVE. Yeah.. CODE loses a crap load of Cat's in gank ops, but @ 1.2M per cat vs a freighter @ 1.2B + CARGO... who cares if their number of ships lost is greater than the numbers of the targets. That's factored in and completely Irrelevant to the task at hand. And... they most likely made back the cost of the Cats used by looting the wreck.

Now if it makes YOU feel better believing that CODE sucks because they loose sooooo many ships, there for they are bad then hey, keep going with that illusion son. It might even take the sting out of losing your ship to the next gank. Maybe.