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Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#41 - 2016-03-21 02:35:35 UTC


I think anyone who understands how the game works would turn to bloodthirsty piracy... Because it is 1) fun 2) the only thing that makes Eve special.

The only thing that has to do with me is that I enjoy helping people discover it.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#42 - 2016-03-21 07:39:27 UTC
I now thirst for sleeper loot. Too bad CCP forced me to retire from solo highsec wardeccing.
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort
#43 - 2016-03-21 19:23:43 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
That's not a webber fit for taking a freighter through gank systems. You need much better then that and you'll be much safer as a result.


Hi Shae,

Perhaps you'd be kind enough to to post an explanatory fit or two for the OP's benefit and mine?

Thanks!


There are in general three kinds of fits for webbers listed below from best to worst. Fits are somewhat irrelevant as they include 2-3 webs and then whatever else you want. I would recommend buffer fit to prevent getting ganked.

1. Huginn or Rapier (The T2 Recons for Minmatar in case I got the names wrong). They can fit good buffer fits and thus are harder to gank (still will die though but it is a risk with everything here). The most important thing is that with Recon 4 or 5 and 2-3 webs, they can web a freighter into warp on almost any gate no matter where both ships spawn.

2. Hyena (Minmatar e-war frig) - same as the recons but cheaper, not a long of a range on the webs, and can be ganked much easier.

3. Any other ships - Not as good but better than nothing. Your best bet to survive is de-cloak the webber and see if they are in range of your freighter. If not, you will have to try to blind fly the ship around till you are in range. Then you decloak the freighter and go to warp.
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort
#44 - 2016-03-21 19:36:33 UTC
One more thing I forgot to add:

Once you are being bumped, there is two more options you can try. Both work but relies on a little luck. The first one is a much harder than the second and the second probably has the high chance of success.

1- Have a fast alt or corp mate with an mwd fly in front of the freighter and try to warp to the corp mate (needs a fleet duh). It is hard as the bumper can just change direction of the bump, but it can work.

2- Force the mach bumper to stop. Get one or two alts and put them in frigates with 1 scram and as many webs as you can put on them. Have them warp near the freighter (again needs fleet). As the mach is coming in for a bump, have ONE of the alts suicide on the mach with the scram and all webs. have the frig moving so it is harder for the mach or someone else to kill it before concord arrives. Once concord arrives and kills the first frig, have the second frig suicide on the mach.

The objective is to keep the mach still for as long as possible giving your webber time to slow the freighter so it can warp out.

One thing to remember - Once you are bumped, you are just using the webber to slow the freighter. Once you get the freighter slowed to 100 m/s or so, the webs will just hurt you, so turn them off. There is a set range for warp to start, so if you are slowing down, you actually want the ship to have a high threshold for warp.

There is more to the mechanics than that, but you can see the main point.
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#45 - 2016-03-21 21:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Scotsman Howard wrote:


3. Any other ships - Not as good but better than nothing. Your best bet to survive is de-cloak the webber and see if they are in range of your freighter. If not, you will have to try to blind fly the ship around till you are in range. Then you decloak the freighter and go to warp.


I'm sorry, I dont understand who "they" are. How are you supposed to figure that out before losing billions? I got bumped before my webber was even within range of the freighter and got pushed out 200km off the gate, to me this is the most stupidly absurd game mechanic I have seen thus far.

Scotsman Howard wrote:

Once you are being bumped, there is two more options you can try. Both work but relies on a little luck. The first one is a much harder than the second and the second probably has the high chance of success.

....


When I got 10 minutes to live and the game has network and launcher issues, there is no fleet, no alt characters, no one to call because it's hisec, its just 50 hours lost in less than a day.

A lot of what your talking about sounds like theorycrafting to me. I'd like to hear from someone who bumps freighters like this for a living. And the ones I've spoken to say the same thing, webs dont help you, reps dont help you, they will take their time, hours if necessary, if they want to kill you even in a 0.6 system, it will happen.

The issue I have is this mechanic happens on the warp-in gate itself and that Macherials have unlimited reign in holding you hostage. If it happened 15km off the out gate I wouldn't have a problem. My advice is to stay out of hisec because the mechanics there are ********.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#46 - 2016-03-21 21:53:57 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Scotsman Howard wrote:


3. Any other ships - Not as good but better than nothing. Your best bet to survive is de-cloak the webber and see if they are in range of your freighter. If not, you will have to try to blind fly the ship around till you are in range. Then you decloak the freighter and go to warp.


I'm sorry, I dont understand who "they" are. How are you supposed to figure that out before losing billions? I got bumped before my webber was even within range of the freighter and got pushed out 200km off the gate, to me this is the most stupidly absurd game mechanic I have seen thus far.

Scotsman Howard wrote:

Once you are being bumped, there is two more options you can try. Both work but relies on a little luck. The first one is a much harder than the second and the second probably has the high chance of success.

....


When I got 10 minutes to live and the game has network and launcher issues, there is no fleet, no alt characters, no one to call because it's hisec, its just 50 hours lost in less than a day.

A lot of what your talking about sounds like theorycrafting to me. I'd like to hear from someone who bumps freighters like this for a living. And the ones I've spoken to say the same thing, webs dont help you, reps dont help you, they will take their time, hours if necessary, if they want to kill you even in a 0.6 system, it will happen.

The issue I have is this mechanic happens on the warp-in gate itself and that Macherials have unlimited reign in holding you hostage. If it happened 15km off the out gate I wouldn't have a problem. My advice is to stay out of hisec because the mechanics there are ********.

Funny how you only had issues WHILST being bumped LolLol
I call shenanigans

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#47 - 2016-03-21 23:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Dom Arkaral wrote:

Funny how you only had issues WHILST being bumped LolLol
I call shenanigans


I've had to rewrite this 3 times now because this stupid forum keeps loading a previous draft erasing my message.

I have issues whilst not being bumped. Constantly I get Network Socket error on one client, while my other clients have no problem. Spotify, Teamspeak, Netflix, nothing else has this problem. But randomly one client will dc. In this case the launcher even refused to restart the client. But I'm not complaining about that. Others in this forum have said Macherial's shouldn't get a free warp scram in high sec without consequence.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/52734857/

The time it takes to dock in jita while the message please wait for docking pops up, is enough time for a Tornado to instalock and instapop your pod. Just did 34 jumps in a pod too.

Just recently in Provi I lost a Crow because a 2.85 second align time isn't long enough to avoid an instalock instapop svipul sitting on the warp in gate.

There are many examples I can choose from. The only one that has ever truly bugged me was being held hostage on the warp in gate in a freighter in hisec.

"We were ganked" is the message I now recieve when trying to re post this message.
Sasha Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling
Freighter Friends
#48 - 2016-03-22 00:35:40 UTC
If you would like a second chance at hauling, CODE. is actually looking for some more haulers to do logistics.
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort
#49 - 2016-03-22 00:40:03 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Scotsman Howard wrote:


3. Any other ships - Not as good but better than nothing. Your best bet to survive is de-cloak the webber and see if they are in range of your freighter. If not, you will have to try to blind fly the ship around till you are in range. Then you decloak the freighter and go to warp.


I'm sorry, I dont understand who "they" are. How are you supposed to figure that out before losing billions? I got bumped before my webber was even within range of the freighter and got pushed out 200km off the gate, to me this is the most stupidly absurd game mechanic I have seen thus far.

Scotsman Howard wrote:

Once you are being bumped, there is two more options you can try. Both work but relies on a little luck. The first one is a much harder than the second and the second probably has the high chance of success.

....


When I got 10 minutes to live and the game has network and launcher issues, there is no fleet, no alt characters, no one to call because it's hisec, its just 50 hours lost in less than a day.

A lot of what your talking about sounds like theorycrafting to me. I'd like to hear from someone who bumps freighters like this for a living. And the ones I've spoken to say the same thing, webs dont help you, reps dont help you, they will take their time, hours if necessary, if they want to kill you even in a 0.6 system, it will happen.

The issue I have is this mechanic happens on the warp-in gate itself and that Macherials have unlimited reign in holding you hostage. If it happened 15km off the out gate I wouldn't have a problem. My advice is to stay out of hisec because the mechanics there are ********.


LOL not theorycrafting my friend. Actual FACTS based on personal and corp experience. I have bumped freighters and been bumped. I have killed freighters, saved freighters, and lost freighters.

As for what I mean by "They", it is simple.

- You uncloak the webber (I hope you get how this works?)
- You look on the overview of your freighter pilot. Is the webber within web range? If yes, decloak freighter, web it, and warp.
- If webber is not in range, you will have to manually pilot the ship to get in range. The follow step 2.

You died because your webber did not beat the mach to the freighter.
JackknifedII
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#50 - 2016-03-22 22:06:18 UTC
To be honest, I kinda wish someone had ganked my frieghter the moment I bought it.

It's very handy to have, but my god it's soul destroying doing 60j round trips in the damned thing.

Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC81MDW6dFa41VdNTt-pTl1Q

Always recruiting
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#51 - 2016-03-23 01:17:30 UTC
Looks like someone got sabotaged

Evil RatKid
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#52 - 2016-03-23 04:33:38 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Looks like someone got sabotaged


Totally got sabotaged. Then I saw this and I was in tears.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/52728153/
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#53 - 2016-03-23 04:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Scotsman Howard wrote:
LOL not theorycrafting my friend. Actual FACTS based on personal and corp experience. I have bumped freighters and been bumped. I have killed freighters, saved freighters, and lost freighters.

As for what I mean by "They", it is simple.

- You uncloak the webber (I hope you get how this works?)
- You look on the overview of your freighter pilot. Is the webber within web range? If yes, decloak freighter, web it, and warp.
- If webber is not in range, you will have to manually pilot the ship to get in range. The follow step 2.

You died because your webber did not beat the mach to the freighter.


So I have to have 2 accounts when being a freighter pilot is what your saying.

Your kind of missing the point, if there were 20 brutix's that instapopped my freighter on the warp-in gate itself, we would not be here. It's about a Macherial taking his time to push a freighter over 200km off the gate for 15 mins to 2 hours in hi-sec. For FREE.

The brutix's had to wait 15 minutes before undocking from the station. It's an absurd mechanic. Might as well make warp scrams non aggressive, get rid of gate guns, and no cooldown timer so criminals can undock any time. Whats the difference? Atleast then we all know what the rules are.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#54 - 2016-03-23 09:12:30 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Scotsman Howard wrote:
LOL not theorycrafting my friend. Actual FACTS based on personal and corp experience. I have bumped freighters and been bumped. I have killed freighters, saved freighters, and lost freighters.

As for what I mean by "They", it is simple.

- You uncloak the webber (I hope you get how this works?)
- You look on the overview of your freighter pilot. Is the webber within web range? If yes, decloak freighter, web it, and warp.
- If webber is not in range, you will have to manually pilot the ship to get in range. The follow step 2.

You died because your webber did not beat the mach to the freighter.


So I have to have 2 accounts when being a freighter pilot is what your saying.

Your kind of missing the point, if there were 20 brutix's that instapopped my freighter on the warp-in gate itself, we would not be here. It's about a Macherial taking his time to push a freighter over 200km off the gate for 15 mins to 2 hours in hi-sec. For FREE.

The brutix's had to wait 15 minutes before undocking from the station. It's an absurd mechanic. Might as well make warp scrams non aggressive, get rid of gate guns, and no cooldown timer so criminals can undock any time. Whats the difference? Atleast then we all know what the rules are.

Bumping is a legit game mechanic.
You had all the tools at your disposal to plan your route and go around the gank systems.
So it's your own fault you got blown up.

Htfu or gtfo,
Ty

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2016-03-23 09:49:03 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Your kind of missing the point, if there were 20 brutix's that instapopped my freighter on the warp-in gate itself, we would not be here. It's about a Macherial taking his time to push a freighter over 200km off the gate for 15 mins to 2 hours in hi-sec. For FREE.

I don't think he doesn't. You already know that Mach only got to bump you because you client DC'd, otherwise you'd web it into warp before that.

S**t like this happens.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#56 - 2016-03-23 09:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Sabotaged wrote:
Your kind of missing the point, if there were 20 brutix's that instapopped my freighter on the warp-in gate itself, we would not be here. It's about a Macherial taking his time to push a freighter over 200km off the gate for 15 mins to 2 hours in hi-sec. For FREE.

I don't think he doesn't. You already know that Mach only got to bump you because you client DC'd, otherwise you'd web it into warp before that.

S**t like this happens.


naw the client dc'ed after he bumped me preventing me from aligning, I was already webbed. I kept trying to warp, and then boom. Socket Error. It happens every so often, but it only happens on 1 client. Then the launcher kept failing to relaunch the client so I had to restart that too.

And your right I don't get it, because I still don't understand what "tools" is he talking about? Is there a website I have to use now besides 2 accts and a fleet to back me up?

Is there a freighter guide or video somewhere? What else about this game haven't I learned after 2 years of playing it?

Movement is so much more restrictive than it was 3 years ago. This month lost 6 capsules, 7 interceptors, 11 frigates, and 1 freighter which totals 2 billion. My income is maybe 4-7 mil a tick.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#57 - 2016-03-23 10:11:32 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
And your right I don't get it, because I still don't understand what "tools" is he talking about? Is there a website I have to use now besides 2 accts and a fleet to back me up?

Only 2 accounts? I mean the gankers needed like 30-40 characters to kill your ship. You only need fraction of that as a support fleet to prevent the gank. Everything is stacked in your favor, yet you are somehow still complaining.

It's like you somehow feel entitled to move an unarmed really slow and fat industrial capital ship through enemy territory without the need of a support fleet.

Evil RatKid
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#58 - 2016-03-23 11:41:26 UTC
After the OPs last few posts my Trolldar has been goin off like crazy. Might i suggest you (OP) start writing childrens fictional tales. This one sounds like the Old Witch who lived in the woods (Mach), Kidnaps Hansel (webber) and Gretel (freighter) and bumps them into a cage to fatten them up to eat them (gankface). I know im missing as many details as your story but hey, it sounded beleiberable for 2 whole pages. Give it a try, Youre welcome in advance for the eve career advice as well.

Off to work now to daydream about The Jackdaw and the Bean Stalkers.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#59 - 2016-03-23 19:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
One simple tool you can use on one client is the in game map. Open up. Under statistics, select ships destroyed in the last hour. If you see a big red dot on your route with many ships destroyed (like uedama usually has), avoid that system. Check the ships destroyed in the last 24 hours too. If you see a big red dot on your route and it's not there when you do the one hour option, do a little research on your route. It maybe there was a normal event or fight and you are safe, or gankers who are itching for a target and it's not safe.

Another option, send the Webber in first. If he sees a Mach on his overview, wait. See if the mach passes through or sits there. Check the pilot and corp of the mach too. Yes they can hide in alt corps but some don't.

Edited to add:

Learn some basic Eve math. A tornado can do about 10k damage and get off 2 vollies if lucky in a .5 system. They cost about 70 mil isk. So in your case, if the 1/2 the loot dropped, that covers the cost of 10 tornados. So 10 tornados, at 20k damage, yields 200,000 damage. Your inertia stabizers instead of reinforced bulkheads mean your hit points was likely below that 200,000. So basically, there is profit on ganking your ship. Do this math before you head out in your freighter. If the math shows you can be ganked for a profit, do not fly through major trade hubs or map choke points. If you must, reduce your load and increase your tank.
Fiddly Pop
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#60 - 2016-03-25 19:44:44 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/

First day flying a freighter. unsubbed.


I think i have a screen shot of you blowing up, I'll send it when i get home from work.

xoxoxo