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what is HAW supposed to be? These anti-subcap capital guns?
In that case I dont like the idea. Its too complicated, messes too much with existing roles, and has no advantage to the simpler solution. Just increase fighter damage and remove the stacking penalty from FSU. Then carriers are fine.

Any news about capital PvE content? Does it true we will need to fit specific service module into X-large citadel to get access?

I doubt your 4k dps on the nid, as I mentioned earlier, a thanny with 5 DDA II und 5 FSU II does around 1445 with the main weapon. secondary is about the same dps (maybe 5% more). So spamming the missiles on cooldown (which is not possible because of reload) should not be more then 3k. faction modules are not that much better. maybe 3.3k with full faction.

Secondly:
You realize that the main role of the dread still is big damage against large targets? The ability to also shoot subcaps for still very good damage, is just a bonus that adds flexibility, not the main reason for bringng a dread. The carrier on the other hand has no other use than shooting subcaps, so obviously it should be better there.

On tranq, dreads are widely used for their damage abilities, obviously, being stuck for 5 minutes does not mean that they arent competetive outside wormhole space. They already are competetive. And on tranq they dont have the subcaps weapons at all.
Carrier on the oder side, are never used as damage dealers with fighters. And on Tranq their damage is even better then now on sisi.

1. None of the Minmatar Carrier Skills seem to apply to mods fitted to the Lif.

2. It appears the Lif will be wholly underwhelming even with the cap booster charge bonus in place.


The issue still seems to stem from a couple things:

1. With sub-capitals, there are actual uses for non-tank slots.

2. An apostle can fit 2 Cap Armor Repairers while still attaining high resistances. To achieve the same rep amount a Lif needs to fit a shield boost amplifier.

2a. If the capacitor booster amount bonus is used, the Lif needs to fit a capacitor booster, removing yet another tank slot.

2c. If a Ninazu uses the capacitor booster amount bonus, it does not use up a tank slot.

3. Apostle/Minokava receive capacitor amount bonuses, while at the same time receiving a repair amount bonus.

3a. Lif/Ninazu receive the capacitor boost amount bonus, while receiving a cycle time bonus. The cap use is a lot increased if compared to the amarr/caldari counterparts. The cap boost amount bonus does not appear to make up for it at all. In fact, a single remote shield transfer uses the same cap in about 3 seconds that the booster can provide in 12 seconds.

This seems to make the gallente, and especially the minmatar FAX, pretty much useless.

The gal and minm fac are to be used in sub cap fleets and not to permanently run their reps or get nearly the ehp of the amarr and caldari

However gal easily blows the lif out of the water similarly the Abbat one blows the Caldari out of the water


Over am the fax balance within its own classis very poor

Just because that is its role for that fight does not mean it is the primary rule for the hull

And for hot and run fleets like that conventional blops fleets would still be far superior.

Also these are capitals if you are trying to compare these hulls in a situation that would not involve a support fleet capable of webbing and painting targets the comparison is meaningless

A hull dedicated to anti sub cap should do that role better than a ship that can choose its role

That's because my mentality IS that if ccp is going to force carriers into an anti sub cap role then dreads should be anti capital


Of you ate in a small gang and want a capital to help you with anti sub then use a carrier rather than make carriers obsolete


And again dreads currently on sisi kill ships cruisers and larger much faster than carriers I'm not sure where you got your numbers for carrier dps but they do significantly less than haw

Placeholder requirements are not release requirements.

Dreads will never be used in a small subcap gang, their whole mechanic is simply not made for that.
As all capitals they are very slow, and siege is very situational. Siege is a huge drawback for small subcaps fight, but great for big fights where you commit to the grid, and probably would want to have siege for the defense bonus alone.
Trying to balance the damage so that they are viable in small subcaps fights, would mean that they need ridicilous dps, making them completely overpowered in big fights where the drawbacks of siege is reduced.

So there is no point in comparing them to carrier or anything else for smaller subcaps fight... they never will be good there, and are not supposed to be good there.

Now in bigger fights, its ok when they are viable against subcaps (which they are with the new guns, the damage is nice), but still should not be top choice to bring them against subcaps. Because they already excel at shooting bigger stuff. If they also become the best choice to shoot subcaps, why bring anything else at all?
If i remember correctly there was a time when dreads were extremely good against caps and subcaps, and it was nerfed for a good reason.
The role as big gun in cap fights already works on tranq, the option to switch to subcaps guns is just a bonus.



Another thing about fighters:
They are not really balanced among each other. The stats seem to be identical in every way except speed and damage per hit. Firbolg for example has 16% more damage than Templar, while Templar is 16% faster. Not only makes this the Firbolg superior, since you are usually going to prefer the damage, it also means we will probably have a similar situation as we had before the drone changes: Either use Gallente Drones for the damage, or Minmatar Drones for the speed (but the speed bonus is probably too small to consider this, so just use Gallente for everything), but nothing in between. Unless you really want to shoot with a specific damage type.
If you want to keep this large difference in damage, then the weaker drones need some bonus to application.

Since NPC now attack fighters, a few more things:

-The aggro of fighters is very very high, in fact all rats completely ignored the carrier once fighters were out
-With enough navigation comps they can speed tank most aggro in nullsec, but will probably instantly die to sleeper.
-after they kill a target, they immediately stop and stand around, waiting for the next command. This is fine in principle, but you cant give a new command like "orbit" when the weapons are on cooldown. So worst case the fighter just stands around for a few seconds and gets shot... see the speedtanking.
-when calling fighters back, they also tend to stand around the carrier for no reason before docking. Not always, but sometimes. See speedtanking... just lost 3 fighters of a squadron to rats when I wanted to reload.
-The display when there are debuffs on the fighter (web, scram neut etc.) is bugged, the effect keeps getting displayed even when the effect is long gone because the ship that did it was killed.


Also: once you are used to it, I find the micromanaging of fighters (reloading, using missile swarm and mwd) in pve actually fun.
But its not very rewarding, since even when you spend a lot of effort in correctly managing your fighters, the damage and the ticks are still much lower than it was on tranq when you simply said "attack".
Also these theoretical dps calculations by adding the dps of the main gun and secondary gun, is not even close to reality. Its just not possible to keep the secondary gun active all the time, against multiple targets, the real damage is much lower. And you loose dps to reloading.
The total dps is just much too lower on carrier.