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[ARC] To Galactic Summit on recent Society statements.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#41 - 2016-03-29 14:50:28 UTC
Kim, shut up.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#42 - 2016-03-29 15:39:39 UTC
It's getting really sad that Kimmy has become this effective at derailing threads. Even ones that have nothing to do with her, the state, or anything related to any warzone she operates in....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-03-29 15:48:03 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, shut up.

Not before you, coward liar. You haven't earned honor to address Caldari officer like that, insolent space trash!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#44 - 2016-03-29 15:49:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, shut up.

Not before you, coward liar. You haven't earned honor to address Caldari officer like that, insolent space trash!

You're not a Caldari officer. You hold rank in the militia.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2016-03-29 15:50:03 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
It's getting really sad that Kimmy has become this effective at derailing threads. Even ones that have nothing to do with her, the state, or anything related to any warzone she operates in....

If you fail at reading, Claudia, i'll point out - blame Morwen.
Should I push your nose into her "post", or you will find yourself and actually begin reading and thinking before writing?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#46 - 2016-03-29 15:52:12 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, shut up.

Not before you, coward liar. You haven't earned honor to address Caldari officer like that, insolent space trash!

You're not a Caldari officer. You hold rank in the militia.

I have no time for your stupidity, Claudia. Check what militia are you speaking about before writing.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2016-03-29 15:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, shut up.

Not before you, coward liar. You haven't earned honor to address Caldari officer like that, insolent space trash!

You're not a Caldari officer. You hold rank in the militia.

I have no time for your stupidity, Claudia. Check what militia are you speaking about before writing.

Militia =/= Military. Check what a militia is before claiming any sort of authority or demanding respect.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#48 - 2016-03-29 15:57:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, shut up.

Not before you, coward liar. You haven't earned honor to address Caldari officer like that, insolent space trash!

You're not a Caldari officer. You hold rank in the militia.

I have no time for your stupidity, Claudia. Check what militia are you speaking about before writing.

Theres a difference? They all seem to be doing similar things...... Just for different reasons that all turn into holding space for x amount of time.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#49 - 2016-03-29 16:00:07 UTC
Mocking each other publicly doesn't do any of you any good.

I suggest you all have a nice and confortable tea party. You know, discuss who is right and who is left, all that stuff. I assure you, by the end of it there won't be any problems.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#50 - 2016-03-29 16:03:56 UTC
Sorry for adding to the derailment Jaret, Makoto, Morwen, ect but I couldn't help chiming in on that...
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#51 - 2016-03-29 16:29:10 UTC
I'm more amused than anything else, really.

I don't think any of us were particularly optimistic about Mentor Raish responding to the request for more information, at any rate, and so as Makoto has said, operations are resuming as scheduled.

As an aside: It's not genocide when what you're shooting is already dead. The Drifters are, at least according to autopsies recognized by official parties, more or less reanimated corpses serving in an analogous capacity to capsuleers. A giant, person-sized CPU. And as best we can tell, these vessels of theirs are unmanned save the one pilot, be it Artemis, Apollo or Hikanta.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#52 - 2016-03-29 16:34:53 UTC
Nothing to apologize for, pilot Vess. Just let's not feed the trolls.

That said, what Coordinator Lagann says is about right. It's entirely possible that the reason the Drifters haven't or can't communicate is because they're drones of some sort, in a way similar to Rogue Drones or Sansha True Slaves. If we follow that logic through, it's entirely possible that the Drifters are not in fact sapient or human as we understand it, but instead some form of defense failsafe.

Admittedly, if Elder Mentor Raish indicates a 'mutual understanding' can be reached, then presumably, human or not, it's possible to interact with the Vigilant Tyrannos.

I'm still exceedingly curious about this, even though I increasingly suspect it was more of an off-hand comment.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-03-29 16:38:27 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Mocking each other publicly doesn't do any of you any good.

I suggest you all have a nice and confortable tea party. You know, discuss who is right and who is left, all that stuff. I assure you, by the end of it there won't be any problems.

Ah, Mr. Victorian! I totally don't mind to share a cup of tea with you and discuss... well I'd prefer not to discuss who is right and who is wrong, but whose idea is right and whose idea is wrong.

As for... others, we have there two major problems.

1) Morwen. She is a well know troll and disgusting in conversation. I am not sure there will be any fruitful discussion if she will participate there. I am really sick of morwinisms, and thus I beg my pardon for interfering, but on other hand, I simply cant let it stay. Please refer to the post, where Morwen has appeared in this conversation: it was with sheer purpose to troll our heroes. OUR heroes. Of our nation, not hers.

2) Makoto. I possibly could talk with her, provided she will follow formal manners. But I will decline an offer to share a cup of her with abhorrence. This is because I am Caldari citizen and Caldari officer and honor for me means more than my life. I'd better fall on my sword than disgrace myself by drinking tea with dishonored beings like her.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Matar Ronin
#54 - 2016-03-29 16:43:53 UTC
I apologize for feeding the resident IGS trolls. I should have realized anyone attacking the good work of ARC was deranged, not merely confused.

The thing that has made the outstanding scientific work of ARC even more meaningful is their consistent efforts to share their findings and conclusions with everyone in a non-partisan way.

Some partisans imagine political motivations behind every comment someone on another side posts, but truth be told sometimes you are just flat out wrong or people do not like you as an individual, it is not always partisan.

With the work ARC is doing I find myself gaining respect for people I thought would only like to target me with lasers, when in fact they are also standing up to what a lot of us consider a universal threat.

I also have voiced the thought that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" sentiment, but it is not always true. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is just dealing with them first and is in no way your friend. I think after centuries of conflict with each other we have become comfortable with the idea that the universe is static and nothing will change.

The Drifters have proven those thoughts to be incorrect, they are a new variable that has changed the equation.

Until such time as the Drifters can be proven to not be a threat to the safety of humanity in New Eden we will continue to support the humans who choose to learn about the threat and share their knowledge with all who wish to gain insight from it. If that means because I grieve the loss of human life aboard the Titan piloted by a political human enemy causes me to fail some partisan purity test so be it. My priority is to support the efforts that are focused on the greater good of all in a collaborative attempt that in the long run I suspect will also help with some of our ancient conflicts. It is hard to continue mindless blind bigotry after you have flown with someone and recognize that even your enemy is capable of human valor and sacrifice.

I believe working together can have the possible outcome of making the New Eden Cluster a better place for all of us as we work out our deeply held long standing differences. Humanity standing together is a better choice than humanity fractured and destroying itself. ARC demonstrates it is not just a hope possible in the distant future but a choice we capsuleers can make today.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2016-03-29 16:57:38 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
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The Drifters have proven those thoughts to be incorrect, they are a new variable that has changed the equation.

Until such time as the Drifters can be proven to not be a threat to the safety of humanity in New Eden we will continue to support the humans who choose to learn about the threat and share their knowledge with all who wish to gain insight from it. If that means because I grieve the loss of human life aboard the Titan piloted by a political human enemy causes me to fail some partisan purity test so be it. My priority is to support the efforts that are focused on the greater good of all in a collaborative attempt that in the long run I suspect will also help with some of our ancient conflicts. It is hard to continue mindless blind bigotry after you have flown with someone and recognize that even your enemy is capable of human valor and sacrifice.

I believe working together can have the possible outcome of making the New Eden Cluster a better place for all of us as we work out our deeply held long standing differences. Humanity standing together is a better choice than humanity fractured and destroying itself. ARC demonstrates it is not just a hope possible in the distant future but a choice we capsuleers can make today.


It is.. extremely rare that Matar Ronin and I agree on anything, but I agree with him on this.

It is for this reason that SFRIM recently started a new membership category, Legionarius, to fly with and to support ARC. This category is for those who may not be strictly of the faith or loyal to the Empire (as is our usual criteria for membership), but who wish to put aside any differences and stand with us against the existential threat to all humanity - the Drifters. I am please to welcome Jennifer Starfall into our ranks as our first Legionarius. A more official announcement or explanation will put elsewhere, but I am heartened to see that capsuleers of all stripes are recognizing the threat and putting aside.. differences... to work against it.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#56 - 2016-03-30 06:15:10 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

2) Makoto. I possibly could talk with her, provided she will follow formal manners. But I will decline an offer to share a cup of her with abhorrence. This is because I am Caldari citizen and Caldari officer and honor for me means more than my life. I'd better fall on my sword than disgrace myself by drinking tea with dishonored beings like her.


You are however the half-bred product of sexually deviant parents and thus inherently born with both shame and dishonour as your primogeniture. Your very existence is a disgrace, particularly when compared to someone who has in fact retained their racial and culture purity as is the case with Ms. Priano. In fact it would be a disgrace to Ms. Priano to drink tea with a dishonoured being such as yourself.

There is also the question if honour means more than your life then why have you not biomassed? The only answer is that you are a liar leading an abhorrent existence.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#57 - 2016-03-30 08:07:33 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
You are however the half-bred product of sexually deviant parents and thus inherently born with both shame and dishonour as your primogeniture. Your very existence is a disgrace, particularly when compared to someone who has in fact retained their racial and culture purity as is the case with Ms. Priano. In fact it would be a disgrace to Ms. Priano to drink tea with a dishonoured being such as yourself.


Really? Racial purity is a thing in the State?

I always thought the 'fascist state' was just a bit of lurid propaganda, but perhaps not. Condemn Commander Kim for many things, but not for the circumstances of her birth.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2016-03-30 08:11:14 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:

You are however the half-bred product of sexually deviant parents and thus inherently born with both shame and dishonour as your primogeniture. Your very existence is a disgrace, particularly when compared to someone who has in fact retained their racial and culture purity as is the case with Ms. Priano. In fact it would be a disgrace to Ms. Priano to drink tea with a dishonoured being such as yourself.

You have nothing to do other than insulting my parents? Gesakaarin, you are just low level scum, on whom I will step on, wipe my boots and step over.
And despite Priano and her ilk, I never lost MY honor. While she did that in front of whole IGS right here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:

There is also the question if honour means more than your life then why have you not biomassed? The only answer is that you are a liar leading an abhorrent existence.

Because unlike dishonorable scums like Priano, I still have my honor and never lost it.
Pity you fail some gray matter to realize it yourself. Now get out and stop wasting my time, I have better things to do than explaining obvious things to morally and intellectually degraded pirates.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#59 - 2016-03-30 08:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
You are however the half-bred product of sexually deviant parents and thus inherently born with both shame and dishonour as your primogeniture. Your very existence is a disgrace, particularly when compared to someone who has in fact retained their racial and culture purity as is the case with Ms. Priano. In fact it would be a disgrace to Ms. Priano to drink tea with a dishonoured being such as yourself.


Really? Racial purity is a thing in the State?

I always thought the 'fascist state' was just a bit of lurid propaganda, but perhaps not. Condemn Commander Kim for many things, but not for the circumstances of her birth.

Mr. Kinnison, she is simply an idiot and can't find a single thing to condemn me for.

She is also a gurista, not a Caldari. Please don't make an assumptions about OUR State based on words of someone who betrayed us. She has been a traitor even while she was formally Caldari, and now? She is just a useless pirate.

Thus I now have to put some explanations.
1. Caldari State, unlike fascist Gallente Federation has never been a fascist state.
2. Although Caldari are somewhat xenophobic, that is applied to actually culture, but not the race. We aren't racist as gallentes.
3. Marriages in Caldari State are arranged and made that way to maintain purity of each bloodline.
4. Marriage between two different bloodlines are possible, but children of such marriages will have no option in corporate marriage agencies.
5. Condemning someone on "impurity" in Caldari State is a prerogative of ill-educated and bully teenagers. I had to deal with them and shown their place with my fists.
6. And if an adult in Caldari State condemns someone on "impurity", this is either a sign of hindrance of development since teen age, or a mental deficiency.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#60 - 2016-03-30 14:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
What part of 'don't feed the trolls' is unclear, pilot Gesakaarin?

That said, Directrix Aspenstar, an interesting announcement! I'm glad to hear that SFRIM is taking that step. I will admit I do wonder what this means for C-AIG, but that's a topic for another time and place.

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