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Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#261 - 2016-03-19 00:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Zakks
Whoah!
Eve is plagued with A SINGLE WAR MECHANISM in HighSec
Too few choices, too little conflict.
And really, that is what this is all about.
Conflict.

What we need is a multi-level system of conflict. One that enables conflict for a wide range of users.
From a single-engagement or system, to all-out Unconditional War.
A system of choices (and consequences) that empowers both A & B. Put in some possible escalation points too.

It boils down a choice between thinking "why should I fight?', versus 'why wouldn't I fight'

We need to stop thinking WARDEC as a one size fits all approach.

For starters:
Have a character flag that "enables combat" and lets you immediately fight anyone else that has that flag enabled.
Basically a 'I want to PewPew" button!

I will do up a proposal over the week and post it in F&I...
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#262 - 2016-03-19 01:43:38 UTC
Zakks wrote:
For starters:
Have a character flag that "enables combat" and lets you immediately fight anyone else that has that flag enabled.
Basically a 'I want to PewPew" button!

I will do up a proposal over the week and post it in F&I...

WOW is this way Arrow

Evil RatKid
Pix Severus
Empty You
#263 - 2016-03-19 02:20:28 UTC
Zakks wrote:
Basically a 'I want to PewPew" button!


We already have one, it's called "Undock", and it's located to the top-right of your station menu.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#264 - 2016-03-19 02:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Zakks wrote:
For starters:
Have a character flag that "enables combat" and lets you immediately fight anyone else that has that flag enabled.
Basically a 'I want to PewPew" button!

I will do up a proposal over the week and post it in F&I...

Oh god.

This feature already exists. Just press that:

http://puu.sh/nLHBZ/4366cc90e3.jpg

Flag enabled.

The only difference between the 4 modes(*) that then exist in highsec, is what the consequences are for pvp.

* 4 modes being: gank (CONCORD response), wardec (free pvp between involved Alliances/Corps), friendly fire legal (free pvp between corp members), dual (free pvp between 2 players).

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#265 - 2016-03-19 03:05:08 UTC
Guys we should just instance PvP. I would also like my own private instance to farm in too plz

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Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#266 - 2016-03-19 03:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zakks
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Zakks wrote:
For starters:
Have a character flag that "enables combat" and lets you immediately fight anyone else that has that flag enabled.
Basically a 'I want to PewPew" button!

I will do up a proposal over the week and post it in F&I...

Oh god.

This feature already exists. Just press that:

http://puu.sh/nLHBZ/4366cc90e3.jpg

Flag enabled.

The only difference between the 4 modes(*) that then exist in highsec, is what the consequences are for pvp.

* 4 modes being: gank (CONCORD response), wardec (free pvp between involved Alliances/Corps), friendly fire legal (free pvp between corp members), dual (free pvp between 2 players).


How about adding 'no consequences' mode for combat (except your losses)?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#267 - 2016-03-19 03:27:41 UTC
Swipe someone's damsel from their mission pocket and you may just get what you wish.
Also, strangely enough, I've seen faction battleships throw down over a single metal scrap.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#268 - 2016-03-19 03:27:50 UTC
Zakks wrote:
How about adding 'no consequences' mode for combat (except your losses)?

That already exists for 3 of those 4 modes.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#269 - 2016-03-19 03:39:38 UTC
You dangle a lure and everyone bites the hook at the bottom...Roll

ADD a SIMPLE COMBAT mechanic to those already available.

no asking for duels required
no corp required
no friends required
no baiting required
no standings/sec loss
no fees
no worries (except your losses)

Anyone can do it.
Any time they want.

just hit the button and go shoot anyone who did the same.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#270 - 2016-03-19 03:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Zakks wrote:
You dangle a lure and everyone bites the hook at the bottom...Roll

ADD a SIMPLE COMBAT mechanic to those already available.

no asking for duels required
no corp required
no friends required
no baiting required
no standings/sec loss
no fees
no worries (except your losses)

Anyone can do it.
Any time they want.

just hit the button and go shoot anyone who did the same.

Except that it would be a crap addition to the game and not necessary at all, because the mechanic already exists.

Stop being a stupid carebear who wants a flag to be able to shoot. If you want to shoot, then go shoot.

Flag proposals are only for people who don't want to be shot at, not for people who want to shoot. For people that want to shoot, the mechanics already provide for it.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#271 - 2016-03-19 03:58:17 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Zakks wrote:
You dangle a lure and everyone bites the hook at the bottom...Roll

ADD a SIMPLE COMBAT mechanic to those already available.

no asking for duels required
no corp required
no friends required
no baiting required
no standings/sec loss
no fees
no worries (except your losses)

Anyone can do it.
Any time they want.

just hit the button and go shoot anyone who did the same.

Except that it would be a crap addition to the game and not necessary at all, because the mechanic already exists.

Stop being a stupid carebear who wants a flag to be able to shoot. If you want to shoot, then go shoot.


lol, first carebear to be accused of adding MORE combat to the game...
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#272 - 2016-03-19 04:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Zakks wrote:
lol, first carebear to be accused of adding MORE combat to the game...

Read my edit.

It's not about adding more combat to the game. People don't need flags if they want to shoot. They do it already within the existing mechanics.

Flags are to keep others safe, because they don't want to be shot at. Totally, stupid carebear proposal.

Edit. Look at your own proposal where you mentioned flags. It was totally about not needing wardecs if flags are available. It's totally a 'let the pvpers have their pvp and leave everyone else in peace' approach. Screw that. No one is safe in this game, as soon as their ship undocks.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#273 - 2016-03-19 04:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zakks
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Zakks wrote:
lol, first carebear to be accused of adding MORE combat to the game...

Read my edit.

It's not about adding more combat to the game. People don't need flags if they want to shoot. They do it already within the existing mechanics.

Flags are to keep others safe, because they don't want to be shot at. Totally, stupid carebear proposal.


All are conditional choices to combat.

I offer the unconditional combat mode, for those who choose it.
Wherever and whenever they want it.
Simple.

And it DOES NOT change any existing choices.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#274 - 2016-03-19 04:09:00 UTC
Zakks wrote:
I offer the unconditional combat mode, for those who choose it.
Wherever and whenever they want it.
Simple.

How is it unconditional?

Aren't you proposing a flag to enable pvp.

No different to a wardec (which is also a flag), or a dual (which is a flag for legal pvp).

All you are doing is suggesting something that allows free pvp between players that want to pvp. Wardecs, duals and freindly fire flags already provide that.

Go post your proposal in F&I. I'm sure it'll receive a really warm welcome.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#275 - 2016-03-19 04:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Zakks
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Zakks wrote:
I offer the unconditional combat mode, for those who choose it.
Wherever and whenever they want it.
Simple.

How is it unconditional?

Aren't you proposing a flag to enable pvp.

No different to a wardec (which is also a flag), or a dual (which is a flag for legal pvp).

All you are doing is suggesting something that allows free pvp between players that want to pvp. Wardecs, duals and freindly fire flags already provide that.

Go post your proposal in F&I. I'm sure it'll receive a really warm welcome.


Will do.

And thanks for your comments, btw.

Edit, I'd wardec you if I could, but that just proves my point.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#276 - 2016-03-19 04:25:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Zakks wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Zakks wrote:
I offer the unconditional combat mode, for those who choose it.
Wherever and whenever they want it.
Simple.

How is it unconditional?

Aren't you proposing a flag to enable pvp.

No different to a wardec (which is also a flag), or a dual (which is a flag for legal pvp).

All you are doing is suggesting something that allows free pvp between players that want to pvp. Wardecs, duals and freindly fire flags already provide that.

Go post your proposal in F&I. I'm sure it'll receive a really warm welcome.


Will do.

And thanks for your comments, btw.

Edit, I'd wardec you if I could, but that just proves my point.

Nah, you'll find me in Syndicate for the next 2 weeks. Come shoot me, I'm a cyno alt.

Even if I was in highsec, there's nothing stopping you shooting me except your own fear of consequence.

Aside from which you're proposal would have no impact on, since you'd only shoot me in highsec if I flag myself. So you either need to use existing mechanics, or not shoot. Doesn't add much.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#277 - 2016-03-19 04:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zakks
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:


Even if I was in highsec, there's nothing stopping you shooting me except your own fear of consequence.


Agreed.

But why should there be multiple consequences for something so fundamental to the game?
And limited options available to everyone?

If more people (like me) did combat, more people would feel prepared to leave Highsec.
And learn to accept losses without fear.

More combat options should NEVER be a bad thing for Eve.
Zakks
CSR NAVY
Citizen's Star Republic
#278 - 2016-03-19 04:38:26 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Doesn't add much.


Every little bit helps!
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Wanda Fayne
#279 - 2016-03-19 04:51:29 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
People don't need flags if they want to shoot. They do it already within the existing mechanics.



The existing mechanics suck, thats the problem.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#280 - 2016-03-19 05:35:25 UTC
Wanda Fayne wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
People don't need flags if they want to shoot. They do it already within the existing mechanics.



The existing mechanics suck, thats the problem.

They suck less than a 'pvp flag' system.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."