EVE General Discussion

Likewise, sec status falls far more than CCP originally intended for it to fall.

My idea is that suicide ganks on NPC corp characters should grant a significantly lower sec status hit than suicide ganks on player corp members. Mining while in an NPC corp makes you immune to wardecs, the 11% tax doesn't apply to you - NPC corps should not be "shelters."

I think it might just be a good thing to allow pod killing for very low sec criminals, might add some more depth to the criminal aspect of the game.

If I couldn't lose it, I would fly it all the time.

So, just in case you were really looking for an answer, here goes:

There are a few key groups of players that suicide gank and they are focused around various ideologies; here's a quick breakdown of what I think those are, and an in depth review of the most important ones:

[in no particular order of importance]

1. Players who do it for profit. Pirates essentially.
2. Players who do it for "the lulz". Because they can.
3. Players who are attempting to control resources with no other tool to do so. (killing NPC Corp miners in high sec ice belts for example)
4. Players who are trying to disrupt RMT and botting operations.

Hmm, that was a lot shorter than I thought.

Let's address the most trivial reasons first (in order of magnitude/importance, least to greatest): Players who do it for fun- enough said. Some players just like to annoy other players "because they can". Players who attempt to disrupt RMT operations. Do they really think they're changing anything on a larger scale? I doubt it. Players who are attempting to control resources with no other recourse- this is the first "real" reason here, but it's still less important overall than the best/final reason: PLAYER PROFIT.

Some more detail on why players suicide gank for profit:

Basically, it's CCP's fault that suicide ganking is as prevalent as it is. CCP has gone to *great* lengths to deter suicide ganking, with little real effect, and indeed it has only continued to grow in popularity. The reason why is simple: CCP is doing a terrible job of making "carebear" wealth accessible to PVP centric players.

Players, and specifically pirates, always go where the money is. "Back in the day", there was little suicide ganking (I can remember chasing Iteron Vs fitted with Local Expanders worth over a hundred million ISK in expanders alone lol!). The reason being is because the vast majority of the wealth was in 0.0 and before Warp To Zero (WTZ) was implemented, there was plenty of opportunity to attack ships while traveling. Oh, did I mention stupidity like Jump Bridges and Jump Freighters didn't exist either? If you wanted to haul massive amounts of resources anywhere you had to engage in huge freighter ops that took a lot of coordination and involved a lot of risk. Good times. Then CCP introduced WTZ and further streamlined (read: removed all need for) logistics.

All that the above changes managed to do was reduce the window of opportunity for players (and pirates in particular) to access other player's wealth via PVP. Currently, the only reasonably reliable way to do so now is through suicide ganking in high sec space. The killers will go where the money is. Since CCP insists on allowing all the hyper rich carebears to live out their entire existence in high sec, the hunters have to adapt. And adapt they have.

CCP has *REPEATEDLY* nerfed the process by doing everything from decreasing Concord response times to adding in stupid pop-up windows to annoy and deter would-be high sec pirates. Clearly it hasn't worked.

Want to actually decrease suicide ganking? Push the same ultra-concentrated wealth into an area where it's more readily accessible by PVP players and you'll see a rapid decrease in the number of suicide ganks. Otherwise, it will only continue to escalate.

It's fun.

BOOM! ZAP! PEW!

CONCORDOKKENED!

*tears*

ITT: Nerf fun.

Propably because it was an exploit and understandably so, since allowing it breaks the entire system and gives practical immunity to certain highsec assets. The system went from somewhat working thanks to GM enforcement to being horribly broken like the current bounty system. So while there certainly have been tears about it, it's basicly just players trying to get CCP to properly fix the system, instead of giving up on it and abandoning yet another mechanic in a broken state.

From an occiasional bounty hunters POV ...


Pros of suicide ganking ...

... red flashy ships to shoot.
... red flashy pods to shoot.
... red flashy ships that get CONCORDed and reveal red flashy pods with bounties to collect.


Cons of suicide ganking ...

... a severe secloss after shooting a ship that got CONCORDed, because the bounty pod isn't free to shoot.


In my thread, where i asked to make pods with GCC legal targets, CCP SoundWave approved of that
and wrote he will bring this into the game. It's not much of a change, but it helps people like me big time
and it makes sense, too.

Sadly, there's no "when" to that, so i have to keep seccing up every time i shoot a pod with a high bounty
that's not flashy ...

But it doesn't give total immunity, you just have to spend a lot more money or use suicide ganking means. It's merely a use of mechanics to make it harder to be griefed. Just like using aggression mechanics in a dodgy way is a mean to make griefing easier. What bugs me is that using mechanics in dodgy ways to increase griefing is right while the opposite is somehow a "Gamebreaking exploit". And sure if CCP classifies it as an exploit than it is , but seeing as how the dec shield lost that status it isn't anymore and the whining is just as justified as the whining about any pro-griefing use of certain mechanics. It doesn't mean the mechanics cannot be changed in a way or an other but all the whining sometimes comes off as pathetic in my opinion.

Before I stopped playing EVE a few years ago, we used to get masses of domis together and gank freighters in high sec as they jumped in from gates provided they had decent stuff in them.

Does this still go on?