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Project Discovery - Blind Players?

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Nozon Poscholann
Full ControI
#21 - 2016-03-13 15:04:46 UTC
I am educated biologist and I have done courses in doing these... People are often wrong in what they see. Mainly due to the fact (I think) that people don't understand that everything can be in different layers..

But does anyone know how these samples are judged? Is it solely by the Eve community and what the common player believe it is? ...... Tired of all those who just press cytoplasm....
Selphentine
Pastafaris
#22 - 2016-03-13 15:18:48 UTC
If you look at the gains compared to community census, it doesnt really seems like the "gain or loss" in precision depends on what others see.

But hey, some people see cytoplasma in every cell, others see their precision bound to the census.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2016-03-14 08:21:42 UTC
pushdogg wrote:
...I don't have to play the game to make an educated assumption ...


Confirming input from 'intellectuals' that aren't involved is as valuable as it ever was.




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#24 - 2016-03-14 08:41:24 UTC
Blind players....


Sometimes I have a daydream about taking something like OpenCV, piping the client rendering through it, and making something of a "haptic suit" for blind players so that they can actually play the game without sight. instead of looking at an overview with eyes, they would "feel" the ships around them.

How about that, losing a ship to a blind player. If that ever happened.


But I wear too many hats. And I have a full time job (and one of the last in my circles to have one, a situation that has me buying more rounds of beer at the pub than I could plan on - but this is a happy problem). So there is no time in my life for such a project.

Still I dream. It would suck to be blind. Even worse, it would suck to be blind and not be able to play Eve. If I had my druthers at least one problem could be solved.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Falken Falcon
#25 - 2016-03-14 11:25:22 UTC
I've had some good laughs off some of the high %s, but i'm sure they will change the system. For some off chance they actually don't, the cytoplasm machine gun will keep firing Big smile

Aye, Sea Turtles

Varyah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-03-14 12:09:53 UTC
Drossk Kalkoken wrote:
IRL biologist checking in:

My accuracy is hovering around 62% because ~35% of the time the "community consensus" is WRONG.

This has nothing to do with the oft-maligned millennials. You're essentially paying people who had 15 minutes of training to do a task that requires a bachelor's degree to really be done properly. The players are taking the money and running. Humans are opportunists by nature and if you give them a reward for doing practically nothing, they are going to take it.



You don't need a bachelors degree to recognise patterns in a picture. What you need is a more foolproof gamification.

Idea: Let the players separate patterns in pictures based on fewer choices in several stages: First let players determine if there is more green in the nucleus, outer cell or periphery. Then for those pictures with more green stuff in the nucleus let players decide
what kind of pattern it actually is. Basically group types of classification and make the classification a refinement process.

You can't expect the average player to study every picture for 5 minutes. But you can reduce the choices for classification to a level where the classification can reasonably be done in the time the average player is prepared to spend on a single picture for their reward and therefore achieving more reliable results. It might take more time to classify the 150000 pictures but the quality of the classification will be better.
Galaxxis
The Regency
The Monarchy
#27 - 2016-03-14 16:14:56 UTC
Varyah wrote:

Idea: Let the players separate patterns in pictures based on fewer choices in several stages: First let players determine if there is more green in the nucleus, outer cell or periphery. Then for those pictures with more green stuff in the nucleus let players decide
what kind of pattern it actually is. Basically group types of classification and make the classification a refinement process.


That's the model Galaxy Zoo uses and it seems to work out pretty well. People don't get overwhelmed that way.
AgentMaster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-03-14 17:08:29 UTC
Please explaim me this -https://i.gyazo.com/12fa22d51d1bcf88c0bb196fa2e132dd.png How can be this the right answer ?!?

Blessed is the man who has nothing to say and remain silent yet!!

Entecon
Free Carpenters Union
#29 - 2016-03-15 07:32:16 UTC
Just two examples where i don't get it ...

Seems like people are just doing some random clicking or don't use the color buttons

http://i.imgur.com/yo3NJgY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/822b7Nf.jpg

There should be more automated "checking" between new samples if ppl are just spaming buttons. Or something other, TBH don't know what, but it "feels" not right what's happening there
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#30 - 2016-03-15 07:52:45 UTC
Entecon wrote:


Seems like people are just doing some random clicking


You didn't seriously expect people to make an effort, did you?

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

AgentMaster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-03-16 19:45:43 UTC
This is the reason that science cant make a progress Ugh

Blessed is the man who has nothing to say and remain silent yet!!

sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#32 - 2016-03-16 21:29:49 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Entecon wrote:


Seems like people are just doing some random clicking


You didn't seriously expect people to make an effort, did you?



for some players who are taking a science course irl they would probably find it more interesting and use it as a learning experience.

i only had a quick look at it myself and found it a bit interesting and didnt get to use the interface properly yet. Basically did the training then 2 slides after, so very little experience with it yet. however I wanted to add that there has been a issue with players not looking at things properly for a very long time and even those who are drunk and go on a spending spree to spend a lot more than they expected due to buying items at a much higher markup value.
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