EVE General Discussion

HAHAHAHA. So it's plenty risky to stick an entosis link on a disposable ship and fire it at a structure? Stop being terrible. Seriously guy, if you can't see the clear difference in what people have to put on the line between attackers and defenders it's because you don't want to. Anyone even remotely objective can see where the problem lies, and the funny part is that one day you'll probably try to hold sov and you'll be right back here with the exact same problems.

What's becoming clear to most people now is that it's pretty much the best idea to live in lowsec or npc nullsec bordering sov space and use sov casually rather than actually owning it and living directly in it. The whole concept of ownership and belonging has been chucked. This is why the current war has no real endgame. Even if we lose the majority of our space there's nothing stopping us doing exactly what MBC are doing then nobody is owning it, and what we end up with is two massive coalitions fighting each other perpetually and we've back to blob vs blob.

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Nothing wrong with a good long blop vs blop fight with tons of tidi and nothing wrong with small skirmish over to large fights over sov. I have nothing against the imperium but this war is fun and good for the game. War’s draw people into eve and brings people back to fight them. I honestly hope we have a war that’s last for years like the Mattani says it well be because that will make the game interesting and fun to play.

The sov mechanic system can only really be used ageist you if you care about sov. A lot of people seem to care about sov while others don’t if people dint care about sov and the defenders do it will always be in the attacker’s favor. The question will always come down to what is the greater power. The power to create and build or the power to destroy. What do people want to do in this game and how do they want to play.

When this started the question and discussion was about sov harassment and the mechanics that are applied to that. This war has changed and evolved now sov mechanics can be used to cause player burnout as the Mattani said on his fireside chat is a desirable outcome. To quote him psyop or psychological warfare is something that the Imperium specialize in. We can look at all these mechanics and see if fozzie sov works or doesn’t work after the fighting’s over.
Fozzie sov seemed to desire to make a city state type of null sec where lots of groups owned and held sov. The old system meant only a few powerful groups could hold sov. What will happen when everything settles who knows. Will it go back to the way it was before with the Imperium owning half of sov null. Will Anyone hold sov, or will lots of groups hold sov? I don’t have an answer to that.

The current mechanics can be used just as much against the attacker by vulnerability windows as it does in the attacker’s favor. AS you pointed out it takes a lot of effort to constantly monitor your sov and protect it from an attacker. So far I’ve noticed that your staging systems were untouched until this became a much bigger fight then it was when it was waffles, horde, and Tishu fighting you. Your main staging system was safe and easily held.

The sov mechanics no matter how you change them will always boil down to a war of attrition. Space could be taken and lost but as long as people keep fighting and their war chest are fully stoked and able to keep the fight going it’s going to boil down to player numbers and motivation. The question is how motivated are you to defend and how motivated are we to attack. It’s all going to boil down to will power and motivation. Honestly for us that are just playing the game it should be fun for both sides. For the people who build and maintain alliances and corps it could be a lot more stressful.

The citadels and capital changes could make this conflict and entosis game mechanics even more interesting. How will all that effect sov mechanics and the creation or destruction of fortress’s I don’t know but I look forward to seeing it. Will everyone live in low sec? That is a possibility. Is sov doomed who knows it could be. I don;t think its the ned of sov ownership though but only time well tell.

Would you mind if I explained what we're doing to you in plain english

Is it time for CCP to save the goons again? It should be almost time soon.

I'm just having fun playing a game. I don;t do mind trick or the like i just enjoy eve and all the aspects of it minus pve. Win or lose for either side this war is going to be fun and bring people both into the game and back to the game even if for a short time. I have no grudge against any of you but this war is a lot of fun. I think the sov mechanic discussion has now evolved into a sov war discussion. This war might not save eve but it sure is making things interesting for now and I don;lt think eve is on it's death bed yet.

Xeno this is a miniature manifesto of what has been said publicly by Mittens. This is also my interpretation so you know, evaluate it on your own for accuracy and truth.

It is very clear that you value the goodfight gameplay. As a coalition we have made up our minds to deny you those fights. This aligns with our secondary goal of denying CCP their war.

We want to place nothing but entosis nodes in front of you, and also leave CCP struggling for proof that a war is happening. The only unprecedented metrics we want them to see is the amount of stront used in entosis links, and the number of entosis minutes forced upon players.

As far as I'm concerned this is the Un-War.

Trust CCP about as much as Pl.

Your best weapon is the (questionable - 1/3 of Razor were super pilots?) number of superpilots you've unsubbed because your scared to deploy them because MBC has more?

This is where we take what you think is fun and don't do it. It's not hard to understand.