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Please reduce the number of SOV timers

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#281 - 2016-03-29 13:29:16 UTC
Groups will certainly stabilize again, the question is, how many are going to be loyal to her martini when it happens?


CFC members have to be asking themselves what THEY get out of this "loyalty" thing. Apparently its not having your space defended. Or your titans protected. I guess you get to read Mittani's ego pings right away rather than waiting for somebody to post them to reddit, but is that really worth expending your time and assets protecting his assets?

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#282 - 2016-03-29 13:30:45 UTC
Do you call us the CFC because you still have the last war's axe to grind?

You have it backwards, btw. I was paid 900 Million ISK after losing two Oneiroses yesterday.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#283 - 2016-03-29 13:44:55 UTC
Aiwha, Even if we ignore the fact that we make isk when losing ships, you're effectively asking why we expend time and effort to shoot at and get shot in spaceships in a spaceship video game. The time it's hardest to maintain loyalty to the Imperium is when nothing is happening. When there's constant content it's a no-brainer.

Rain, he calls us the CFC because he like many others is so mad at the Imperium that even the tiniest thing we do - even something so simple as changing a name - is super important. Whenever someone calls us the CFC I get a little bit more smug that I helped contribute, even if only a tiny amount, to giving that person something to hate that much. And if nothing else it helps out separate the pants on head guys from relevant enemies.

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Xeno Szenn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#284 - 2016-03-29 14:37:32 UTC
Honestly beside the op i havn;t seen any tears in here just discussion. I hope we can keep having a dialog about the mecahnics becuse at the end of the day were all just people playing a game and sharing a hobby we enjoy.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#285 - 2016-03-29 14:53:08 UTC
After that entosis multibox op, I also decided to pick a system and live in it to rat for ADMs. Living in sov you own should come naturally for a lot of people but I don't rat, so it's a bit of a chore for me.

I hate the entosis grind but I gave in and realized the best way to go forward was building up ADMs to prevent entosis whack-a-mole from happening so often.

In the meantime, entosis node gameplay is completely detached and needs some UI improvements:

The three-character node identifier is at the end of the name field when it should be at the beginning so you don't have to stretch overview twice as far.

Coordinating node hacks by chat window is freaking impossible. There should be a constellation node dashboard for all to see, so that in order to command entosis gangs across a constellation, an FC doesn't need an alt per system. This dashboard should show the current node timer of all nodes per system, or by TCU / Ihub.

There should be a projected completion percentage showing the progress that will result from currently running entosis hacks. We're constantly having to tally how many nodes are being hacked to stop short of hacking extra nodes.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#286 - 2016-03-29 14:59:07 UTC
I don't understand why nodes have to spawn all over a constellation. It would be more conducive to the large single-grid battles everyone enjoys if it was just that structure (Ihub or TCU) that needed X number of entosis miinutes applied to it.

If you require players travel all over a constellation, you can potentially have a standoffish node hacking race that actually isn't satisfying.

Get rid of whack-a-mole.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#287 - 2016-03-29 15:00:45 UTC
"who's doing the hacking? Primary is that guy." is actually a great addition to grid warfare.

It used to be suicide triage repping a structure. With entosis everyone can get in on it who can fit the module.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#288 - 2016-03-29 16:58:52 UTC
I thought the imperium thing died with the book.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#289 - 2016-03-29 17:27:35 UTC
CFC was a name that summed up the culture of no fucks given.

Imperium was where Mittens just monetised you all and your safe ratting space as you became invested in the game that you originally sought to ruin for all of us...I really wouldn't be feeling smug about that Lucas.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#290 - 2016-03-29 19:21:16 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
CFC was a name that summed up the culture of no fucks given.

Imperium was where Mittens just monetised you all and your safe ratting space as you became invested in the game that you originally sought to ruin for all of us...I really wouldn't be feeling smug about that Lucas.
Imperium was just a natural evolution, there's only so long that a name that makes 14 year old r/eve poster chuckle is suitable, and that had to be replaced with a name that was more socially acceptable. The fact that the name changed doesn't make me smug, the fact that some people are so mad that they sit around stamping their feet and refusing to call the Imperium by their actual name, that carries a bit of smug with it. When someone attempt to attack you by acting like a child, yo know you've really hit them deep.

It may be that you actually know this, but just in case you are being deadly serious I'll explain it. The phrase is "We're not here to ruin the game, we're here to ruin YOUR game". Imperium members love eve, that's why they put in so much time and effort playing it, so noone has any interest it destroying EVE. The phrase is a taunt, that's all it is. Just like how in any other game players who play to win will do so by any means within the mechanics, even if they are considered cheap (like when people repeatedly use the same move in a fighting game). EVE just has a more flexible set of mechanics and ways to really annoy enemies. Play any competitive online game and the situation will be the same.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#291 - 2016-03-29 20:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't understand why nodes have to spawn all over a constellation. It would be more conducive to the large single-grid battles everyone enjoys if it was just that structure (Ihub or TCU) that needed X number of entosis miinutes applied to it.

If you require players travel all over a constellation, you can potentially have a standoffish node hacking race that actually isn't satisfying.

Get rid of whack-a-mole.


Because someone lost 300 dreadnoughts in HED-GP before they even loaded grid by jumping them all in at once, then claimed the game "forced them to do it since that's the thing that works best", then many cried and made a racket on the forums and threatened to unsub unless CCP fixed it so that the optimal strategy wasn't to jump 1000 ships into a single grid.


So that's what CCP did.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#292 - 2016-03-29 21:15:29 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
snip

I just prefer typing three letters instead of eight...

And imp isn't nearly malevolent enough to sum you up.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#293 - 2016-03-29 21:19:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Lucas Kell wrote:
the fact that some people are so mad that they sit around stamping their feet and refusing to call the Imperium by their actual name, that carries a bit of smug with it. When someone attempt to attack you by acting like a child, yo know you've really hit them deep..


ncdock
lololololol

black fleegion
lolololol

dockness
lololol

kadeshit
lolololol

CFC
omg don't be so childish call us by our proper name
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#294 - 2016-03-29 21:49:24 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't understand why nodes have to spawn all over a constellation. It would be more conducive to the large single-grid battles everyone enjoys if it was just that structure (Ihub or TCU) that needed X number of entosis miinutes applied to it.

If you require players travel all over a constellation, you can potentially have a standoffish node hacking race that actually isn't satisfying.

Get rid of whack-a-mole.


Because someone lost 300 dreadnoughts in HED-GP before they even loaded grid by jumping them all in at once, then claimed the game "forced them to do it since that's the thing that works best", then many cried and made a racket on the forums and threatened to unsub unless CCP fixed it so that the optimal strategy wasn't to jump 1000 ships into a single grid.


So that's what CCP did.

I doubt it. When we ask for node reinforcement, apparently only one system (not the whole constellation) gets reinforced, like what happened yesterday with M-O and the neighboring systems. I had two clients open in J-GAMP and one was a minute ahead of the other.

Also jump fatigue. They would have to assume we'd still cyno ourselves around a constellation despite fatigue to make such a big decision based on cynos. It's unlikely.

I think it has more to do with wanting to force everyone through repeated chokepoints to make sure the fighting is down to the last person standing. It's a nice thought on paper and I agree with the idea, the problem is it makes gameplay worse and tedious and detached (people don't know wtf is going on).

Players are very clear about wanting single-point confrontations and I think in this case they're right about knowing what they want.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#295 - 2016-03-29 21:50:59 UTC
I will say CFC is the type of name that lowers expectations, which I like.

I'm a low expectations kind of guy.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#296 - 2016-03-29 21:52:02 UTC
Not everyone understands the psychological value of that, though. In contrast, Imperium is a blowhard name.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#297 - 2016-03-29 22:00:54 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
the fact that some people are so mad that they sit around stamping their feet and refusing to call the Imperium by their actual name, that carries a bit of smug with it. When someone attempt to attack you by acting like a child, yo know you've really hit them deep..
ncdock
lololololol

black fleegion
lolololol

dockness
lololol

kadeshit
lolololol

CFC
omg don't be so childish call us by our proper name
Except that wouldn't be it, since those are plays on the names, so the Imperium version you would be looking for is "Emporium". People refusing to let go of CFC aren't using a play on the name, they are actively showing how salty they are that a group they hate dared to change it's name, and it's funny as ****.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#298 - 2016-03-29 22:19:31 UTC
The difference is the CFC is an enemy that can never change because it is in the past and unmoving.

Unlesssss you want to rewrite history. Could that be the case?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#299 - 2016-03-29 22:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Lucas Kell wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
the fact that some people are so mad that they sit around stamping their feet and refusing to call the Imperium by their actual name, that carries a bit of smug with it. When someone attempt to attack you by acting like a child, yo know you've really hit them deep..
ncdock
lololololol

black fleegion
lolololol

dockness
lololol

kadeshit
lolololol

CFC
omg don't be so childish call us by our proper name
Except that wouldn't be it, since those are plays on the names, so the Imperium version you would be looking for is "Emporium". People refusing to let go of CFC aren't using a play on the name, they are actively showing how salty they are that a group they hate dared to change it's name, and it's funny as ****.


Oh so calling them kadeshit was actually a display of wit and not "attempting to attack by acting like a child".

Well, thanks for that clarification.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#300 - 2016-03-29 23:36:50 UTC
Some real world wisdom here, it's a mistake to fight the last war.

You should call an enemy by their name to help keep your head in the game of fighting who they are right now.