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Please reduce the number of SOV timers

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Reiisha
#261 - 2016-03-28 17:38:29 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Better idea: Remove all sov together. There are way, way too many mechanics in the game that are there just to determine the color of the map.

You mean just a presence in the system would indicate who owns it? Outrageous! We could pretend they are ours then. Shocked


I'm not really joking around.

The current sov system seems to be all about determining who is the owner of the system, and nothing else. The owner of the system can then 'do stuff' with the structures inside it.

My suggestion would be to completely disconnect that last part from the ownership. Leave the mapmaking up to the community, and let anyone who wants to do so plop down structures and upgrade them in any system they want (provided they get the chance to do so).

That way the PvP will go back to being based around the actual stations and resources of a system rather than arbitrary control structures. You'd have to adjust a few things to prevent certain cop-out tactics, but it would be a good start - Much better than the completely ridiculous system we have now which basically entirely sidesteps the problem it tries to solve in the first place.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#262 - 2016-03-28 17:41:20 UTC
Sister MaryElephant wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
If you've been around so long how come I don't know who the you are


Why should you care who I am or know me?

Are you such a celebrity that it matters?

I don't know YOU beyond your pitching for a selfishly one-way game change.....with a Goon tag.

**edit**As far as "worse than reddit"....I fail to see how pointing out the truth is anything other than accurate.


I know who Rain is.

Who the **** are you though?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#263 - 2016-03-29 04:11:28 UTC
This thread is about to see some literal goon tears if the love keeps up.

I multiboxed war fleets for 12 hours today, lol. How are you guys?

From the sound of it, Dear Leader's plan is to maintain this Entosis system to our advantage.

Good thing my roots are PVE lol

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#264 - 2016-03-29 04:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Cant remember where i read it, but i remember reading some CFC dude complaining about how SOV is meaningless because you go somewhere, take SOV, then when you go back home the SOV is taken back.

I think he kinda missed the point.

As for OP. If you dont like defending SOV, why did you join the single most bloated SOV holding entity in EVE?
Xeno Szenn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#265 - 2016-03-29 06:45:17 UTC
The fight today and the last few fights have been amazing. If this is old mechanics permoting fights or new mechanics who cares. massive fights, tidi, and carnage on a massive scale. This is the **** that makes eve what it is to me. I really hope this content keeps going and that this war, skirmish, wehatever it is never ends or just goes form one fight to the next.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#266 - 2016-03-29 07:28:53 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cant remember where i read it, but i remember reading some CFC dude complaining about how SOV is meaningless because you go somewhere, take SOV, then when you go back home the SOV is taken back.

I think he kinda missed the point.

As for OP. If you dont like defending SOV, why did you join the single most bloated SOV holding entity in EVE?
I imagine he joined before fozzie came along and erased the need for attackers to commit to fights. The reality is that most sov holders are just bearing with the bad mechanics until they make them less bad. It'll be interesting what comes out of fanfest and I imagine a lot of us will make long term playstyle decisions based on that.

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Sister MaryElephant
Stellar Conundrum
#267 - 2016-03-29 07:37:15 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Sister MaryElephant wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
If you've been around so long how come I don't know who the you are


Why should you care who I am or know me?

Are you such a celebrity that it matters?

I don't know YOU beyond your pitching for a selfishly one-way game change.....with a Goon tag.

**edit**As far as "worse than reddit"....I fail to see how pointing out the truth is anything other than accurate.


I know who Rain is.

Who the **** are you though?


Someone who doesn't care a fig for WHO you think you are.....
But totally enjoying the irony.

My sippy cup of tears brims over Lol
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#268 - 2016-03-29 09:06:10 UTC
Why does it not surprise me that you need a sippy cup?

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#269 - 2016-03-29 09:28:18 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why does it not surprise me that you need a sippy cup?

You are being very nasty in this thread. Were I of similar ilk I would point out that CO2 just figured out how to reduce sov timers. :)

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#270 - 2016-03-29 10:14:13 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why does it not surprise me that you need a sippy cup?

You are being very nasty in this thread. Were I of similar ilk I would point out that CO2 just figured out how to reduce sov timers. :)
I wouldn't really call that nasty.

And sure they have, by opting out of defending them by joining a different coalition. Do you seriously not see a problem with mechanics that are best played by avoiding playing with them?

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#271 - 2016-03-29 11:06:10 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why does it not surprise me that you need a sippy cup?

You are being very nasty in this thread. Were I of similar ilk I would point out that CO2 just figured out how to reduce sov timers. :)
I wouldn't really call that nasty.

And sure they have, by opting out of defending them by joining a different coalition. Do you seriously not see a problem with mechanics that are best played by avoiding playing with them?

Really? I thought the fact that they wanted to stay and defend their space was the reason they left. Unlike the other rapidly retreating alliances.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#272 - 2016-03-29 11:14:40 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Really? I thought the fact that they wanted to stay and defend their space was the reason they left. Unlike the other rapidly retreating alliances.
Sorry, I was under the impression you actually knew what the situation was. Their space was being defended, it was the new front line hence the huge push from other Imperium alliances to defend their space. They've chosen to swap sides specifically to avoid having to defend their space. I'm really not sure who you think they would now need to defend against considering they're going blue with the only group likely to attack them.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#273 - 2016-03-29 11:33:51 UTC
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#274 - 2016-03-29 11:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Quote:
Someone who doesn't care a fig for WHO you think you are.....
But totally enjoying the irony.

My sippy cup of tears brims over Lol

So far you've only been difficult. I'm divorced and know what it feels like when someone has made up their mind to be that way.

I'm pretty sure the only way to make you agreeable is to concede that I'm a completely dejected goon and otherwise victimize myself. But I'm not and I won't, and you hate it.

The reason I care who you are (and I still don't know) is that I might gain some insight as to what is motivating your hateboner. If there is a discussion to be had with you, I'm still open to the possibility.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#275 - 2016-03-29 12:15:58 UTC
Don't worry zap, they're just bitter that the biggest contributor to their war effort was welcomed back into civilized space with open arms.


The new sov system has actually been working surprisingly well in splitting up fleets and spreading conflicts across multiple grids and systems, while still occasionally focusing everything into massive OHGODWHY tidi furballs.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#276 - 2016-03-29 12:29:07 UTC
You wish. Coalition space is no longer a Y and I'm pretty sure we'll get closer to a 1:1 ratio of alliance per region.

I'll admit that's probably the more responsible way to sov, and entosis might have some part in that. It's only due to the pressure of this war, though. Groups will return to equilibrium and end up occupying the space they have the organization, management, motivation, infrastructure, and manpower for...

...in relation to each other.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#277 - 2016-03-29 12:31:43 UTC
Politics is far too impersonal for me to be bitter. I am thoroughly amused by the turn of events. It's better than Oprah.

If you think that's who you're talking to, someone bitter that is, we will never see eye to eye. But I get that you want it to be true.

Help, I can't download EVE

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#278 - 2016-03-29 12:38:13 UTC
Rain, obviously you are unaware of this, but any response you have is tears. You're a bitter, salty gewn, and nothing you say will change that. P

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#279 - 2016-03-29 12:51:46 UTC
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#280 - 2016-03-29 13:22:51 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
lol. The propaganda war is spilling over.


More like Spin and fire control!