EVE General Discussion

It's already balanced, it's called Friends



Friendship = Best ship.





I was a miner many many moons ago, and when ever I needed help with some "trouble" (be it rats or players, be it in high/low/null). I just called out on TS3 to my corp/alliance, and within minutes I had a nice group of guys in big ass ships with even bigger ass guns shooting the "trouble".

All valid points. Only thing is most people don't have the time, friends, or resources to counterattack like that. Idk, I've just never been a fan of highsec ganking so I feel the vibe the person who brought it up is feeling lol. As for people attacking miners. I sat next to a complete strangers hulk in a fleet issue hurricane just because someone was trolling a belt once. Had nothing better to do Lol. No one had the balls to try when they saw the sebo's glowing and scanned me lol. So ya there's ways around it.

Yep. If you want to mine, you just have to go and hide.

EVE has zero risk for HiSec suicide gankers. They go into it knowing they will lose their ship and also knowing that even if they hit a soft target with no particularly valuable cargo, they will still scavenge enough to compensate them for their loss. The miners, on the other hand, assume all the risk and all of the losses when getting ganked in HiSec. There aren't even any lasting effects to the pirates at all. They are out and ganking again within just a few minutes (if they stop for a sandwich along the way).

Why do you think there should be risk for suicide gankers? I mean there is of course, but they are not generating income or resources into the economy, only moving it around. It is the miner who is getting a benefit that diminishes the value of the wealth of the rest of us, so it is they which has to assume the risk. Your mining makes me relatively poorer, so it is you, the miner, which has to assume the risk of attack. That is just how the game is designed.

CCP buffed the Skiff and Procurer to the point it is nowhere close to being profitable to gank. In fact, unless you pimp out the other barges/exhumers with deadspace or faction mods, there is no real profit in exploding them anymore either although you can at least break even if you recover your own fittings. But just flying a Skiff or Procurer makes you unprofitable to gank and thus prevent a ganker from covering their losses reducing the probability of you being attacked to essentially zero. It is that trivial to make yourself economically immune from suicide ganking.

Suicide ganking is a source of wealth destruction, and the last remaining source of risk to (NPC corp) miners in highsec and thus the only thing remaining that allows highsec mining to be called a profession. It separates the prudent and attentive, from the careless and lazy, and makes fitting and behaviour choices meaningful. Without it, everyone would just AFK max-yield hulks because any other choice would be sub-optimal.

That is the game. Complaining about how unfair it is not only unseemly, is very unlikely to make CCP change a age-old game mechanic they have repeatedly confirmed is working as they want it to.

You forgot the part where they're not even on comms and type all this in alliance chat LOOOOOL

Wait, this thread is still on ? longest thread relative to mining in GD in a long time I believe.

But it doesn't seem to be relevant to the first post from a good bunch of posts, first it was supposed to talk about the lack of anything done in the "things to do when doing the mining thing" if I'm not mistaken, not about how to safe of ganking and why/why not.
But about that, I'll wait until we get the numbers for the Orca and Rorqual for the citadel expansion, we already got the harvester drone on sisi but need to know what ship will get which bonuses for them. And the destroyer command variant for miners too, I'm very curious about this one.

One thing not really talked about here about ganking and others, I started recently using one little awesome thing that I manage to forgot about : the Mobile depot. It's awesome to be able to and have the best yield possible and at the "same time" best tank (and dps) possible on our ship, minus the rigs. And it can be used everywhere and doesn't cost much.

Plenty of systems in the game where one can mine without any real danger. Killboards & DOTLAN are your friends, as well as keeping an eye on local.

Check out the Anti-Ganking ingame chat channel. Many people there dedicated to countering miner-freighter gankers. It's been around a while, you tactics, fits, intel-sharing, etc. are pretty well-developed.