EVE General Discussion

Maybe it's time for "Q-ships" after all.

Imagine a tanked and armed freighter with dread HP...


I'm sober

I'm rookie to Eve and not familiar with almost all game mechanics discussed here. I Pve, mine and research, and in a few months I want to set out for pvp.

While taking a **** in my hotel room I lost my bloody mining ship in a 0.8 system where I thought I was safe. I was so angry and despite its over a month ago I still want to let the ones who did it suffer. I do enjoy being scared shitless wherever I fly now, but I want to fight back.

I asked in my NPC Corp chat channel if there are any corps dedicated to hunt down the losers that go for easy kills and everybody told me there isn't a Corp like that. To me it sounds like an appealing idea, why not all team up in a Corp and make a plan to secure a bunch of systems and let everyone that tries to f u c k with us pay dearly? Is that possible in Eve? Can we get together with a good group of people to strike fear into the teenagers that hunt in high for easy kills?

I'm thinking we rookies and care bears need to be in a Corp with folks dedicated to pvp fighting while we train our skills, do industry and do whatever our fighters need to support them in revenging us.

Or can someone give me a better idea as how to take revenge as well as securing a few systems where we can carebear?

Quite a few things you mention there I'm unfamiliar with. But I think I get the point. Logistics seems an unattractive option because it's boring I think and I saw the skill training for these ships take a long long time. However, it's not just about not being ganked, but also about taking revenge. I'm sure I'm thinking to simple, but I assume it must be possible to counter a group of hunting spaceships with a group of defending or attack ready spaceships and turn the hunter into the hunted some way?

Fly a Skiff then? Its drones can take down frigs, destroyers and cruisers; it can speedtank and outlast the larger rats. (I'm particularly fond of the 10Mn AB build for solo mining).

Macks are great if you have a fleet (multiple barges can easily fend off rats) but I agree at least one of the barges could use a DPS buff. If nothing else, then for variety's sake. When CCP nerfed the Ishtar / DroneDamageAmps, they really hurt the barges that fit DPS over yield. Now there is none that puts out the kind of "oompf" we need.

Sounds to me though, that the Procurer/Skiff line is as close as it gets to what You really want to fly.

Oh dear.

1) Now you know you are never totally safe in EvE.
2) The sort of people who would "strike fear" are the sort who already initiate wardecs... and gank.
3) I've heard of such Corps and Alliances in... Null.
4) Forget about revenge, forget about securing a few systems (unless in player Null), forget about trying to always avoid PvP and being a Carebear.

Especially forget about being an afking carebear.

(also, not all gankers are teenagers )

Two cardinal sins in one sentence: going AFK and thinking you were safe. You wouldn't walk away from your keyboard in the middle of a League of Legends match and not expect bad things to happen. Eve is a full-time, PvP sandbox game so you should expect the same.

This sentiment is part of what makes Eve such a compelling game. It evokes emotions and reactions not present in games where you cannot really lose your stuff. Embracing that desire for revenge is good and Eve needs more of it to generate content since everything is player driven. Unfortunately, since game mechanics are already pretty harsh for criminals, there is only so much you can do that the NPCs are not already doing better than you ever could. But if you want satisfaction, I suggest:

1) Baiting them with a vulnerable looking ship. Sit in the belt in an anti-tanked Hulk/Machinaw and then when they fire the first shot, switch with an Orca's ship bay to a tanked Skiff, or refit for full tank off a mobile depot just as they are warping in. They will quickly explode and you can scoop their fittings.

2) Fit out a fast locking ship and camp any gate they are using. Immediately after they lose their jump cloak is pretty much the only time they are vulnerable in space so if you can get a insta-locking ship there you can point them and the faction police will finish them off.

3) Lastly, if you know where they are headed, you can easily disrupt their gank and let CONCORD or the Faction Police finish them off with ECM or some other electronic warfare modules. This works well to protect a specific ship or belt, but is less effective when the gankers have the opportunity to choose their targets as you cannot be in every place at once and there is not time to warp to a gank after it has started. Still, it works well enough, especially in places like ice belts where miners congregate and there are a lot of ships on grid.

What will do nothing and just make gankers smile and shake their head at you is whoring on CONCORD kills. You almost certainly won't have enough DPS to make a difference and actually stop the gank, so all you get is a killmail (and perhaps a bounty) while the ganker just loses the ship he expected to lose anyway while still killing his target. You have done nothing, and while feel free to pad your killboard in such a fashion if it amuses you, don't delude yourself into thinking you are hurting the gankers.

As for securing a space, your probably will find it isn't worth the effort. Despite what happened to you ganking is a rare event, and you are much better off just protecting yourself than spending the effort to secure a system with combat ships. Just move somewhere quiet and pick a tanking strategy such as:
1) Economic tank; fly cheap and disposal ships so it doesn't matter if you lose one every so often. A cheap yield-fit retriever will pay for itself in a few hours so as long as you lose ships infrequently you will be way ahead.
2) Tank tank; fly a tanked Procurer that is uneconomical to gank and requires 3+ gankers to kill. The chances of you losing that to a roaming gang of sufficient size is very low.
3) Attention tank; watch local and dscan like a hawk and you will almost always have time to get to a station before a gank ship arrives. In this case it doesn't matter how flimsy your mining ship is as you will never be on grid with a ganker.

All of these tanks are best supplemented with the additional permit tank which has such a low price, it would be silly not to have one.

But if you really want your own your own space, it probably is better to find a group and head to nullsec where you can respond to criminals and their scouts without pesky CONCORD getting in the way, and where mining is significantly more rewarding.

******* carebears

Actually, I've always wanted a way to blow up highsec gank alts myself. Only way to kill a bunch of destroyers attacking a barge or freighter is with a well placed smart bomb fleet and you can't do that in highsec. You can protect yourself but that just makes you look like you are worth killing more if you have a logi on you. Fyi unless they chnged it again, a skiff can mine as well as a hulk if fit properly. Not sure if they realized that and fixed it or not though. When we where in areas with gankers, we used to mine in a small fleet of skiffs with orca support. We put shield bot drones on everything and we just just repped each other constantly while mining and had interceptors in the orca to switch out to quickly if gankers showed up. We where left alone and the try hards went after ships they could actually kill.

The machinaw is pretty pointless yes. And if you are getting ganked in null, you're not going to have an orca there. So for null all I can think of is find a better Corp with sov.

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Oh come on...

The easiest way to not get ganked is to not make yourself a target, a friend with a web is a powerful tool for freighter jockeys and extremely effective, actually being at the keyboard also helps. In the case of miners using D-scan is extremely helpful, as is not fitting for maximum isk per hour.

Gankers bring their friends, why don't you? I'm pretty sure that an organised group of people in something like 'nados could put a serious dent in a gankfleets DPS in a 0.5 like Uedama during the window of opportunity available to gankers before Concord hotdrop them, or at least distract them.

The maths work both ways, they know what to bring to kill a freighter, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what you need to bring to kill them before they can do so.

It's a balance to other mechanics, like NPC corps, courier contracts, wardec evasion etc. Gankers usually hit the dumb, the AFK and the greedy, without them people like that would run rife.

You can, you just haven't figured it out yet. The merc corps have ways and means of screwing the gankers, they just choose not to do so, unless they're getting paid and even then they sometimes don't, because watching people cry about ganking in local and on the forums is much more entertaining.