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Announcement: Vitoc Stuffing Tower Operational

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#21 - 2016-03-08 23:59:00 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Seriously, the only reason for using Vitoc is that you enjoy the suffering it causes. TCMCs are far more clean, scientific and efficient.


TCMCs can in principle be removed. Scherezad was going to attempt this surgery on some of my rescued slaves before she went away the last time.

A sufficiently virulent and novel Vitoc, however, leaves would-be rescuers with nothing to do but watch as my slaves die horribly. Since people keep trying to destroy my Towers and rescue the slaves therein, I am with this latest Tower having my staff research new and better Vitoc.



The efficient beauty of the TCMC is when the subject is completely oblivious to the fact that they have a TCMC. And when that mind is programmed to refuse any evidence that there is an implant. In fact, YOU might have a TCMC in you that's so deeply buried that not only can you not find it, but if it were taken out and shown to you, you still would not believe it's existence. One can also have the TCMC linked with a small cortex bomb so that any attempt to remove the TCMC would result in a...mess. I also like to install a tracking and ID chip...just in case.

So maybe there is someone out there pulling your strings and you're completely oblivious...Silas, perhaps...or maybe not. Hard to say for certain.

Oh, and I assisted in the care of those rescued slaves you mentioned. Thirty-two hours of straight surgery and reprogramming. Not fun. However, a number of them went on to work for me in Khanid, so thanks for the extra personnel. I'm fairly certain that anything you can come up with, I and my associates will be able to develop a counter to.

But go ahead and have your fun. It's not like you have a choice in the matter...



Actually this explains quiet a lot.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#22 - 2016-03-09 00:59:58 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Three questions, how do you know they don't just keep putting new ones in that rotten mind of yours? Aren't bullets cheaper than vitoc? Wouldn't that be more cost effective, thus making you less of a failure as a false prophet?


1. That probably means violating CONCORD security and stuff.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, but the whole point of having slaves in a tower or hanger is that you don't want to kill them all immediately. You just want them to die if for some reason they pass from your control.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#23 - 2016-03-09 01:13:11 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Three questions, how do you know they don't just keep putting new ones in that rotten mind of yours? Aren't bullets cheaper than vitoc? Wouldn't that be more cost effective, thus making you less of a failure as a false prophet?


1. That probably means violating CONCORD security and stuff.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, but the whole point of having slaves in a tower or hanger is that you don't want to kill them all immediately. You just want them to die if for some reason they pass from your control.

Ahh, stretch out the wisdom, strength, ect that you need from the "inferior race" via blood. All of those attributes which you are truely lacking. As far as the TCMC part, how do you know we all don't have them? In the end are baseliners really as blood thirsty as us? For all you know that God figure who speaks to you could be some deranged Matari working for Concord who's angry at his kin he got a bad volvuul mark...
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-03-09 01:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Satja Askariin wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Indira Harashani wrote:
As sick as it makes me to post in one of this heretic's many threads, this ongoing nonsense of people not knowing the difference between Vitoxin, the infection agent, and Vitoc, the antidote, continues to make me question the supposed intellect of my so-called peers.


Har har har. You are selling us too highly.

Then again, the white-coats in the Republic who are trying to manufacture their own Insorum are also having difficulty using the correct term to refer to the virus and its toxin. We who aren't working on the damn thing will be even more likely to make that darnable mistake.


This probably doesn't need to be said at this point but... next time you see one of those scientists you really should make sure they're researching the cure to the right thing.


*If* I see them that is.

Due to the nature of their jobs, it is incredibly difficult to actually get ahold of any of these scientists. Security risks and all that.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#25 - 2016-03-09 18:02:26 UTC
Halfrek Foley wrote:
Louella Dougans wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
I little understand science


Well, at least you're defying the stereotype of Sani sabik who claim that they are polymath geniuses and thus are more fit to rule.


Whom are they?


Probably means me.

Since I am the greatest Takmahl archaeologist that New Eden has ever seen, the IGS's greatest capsuleer comedienne, an award winning writer, and according to some, the greatest Sani Sabik capsuleer philosopher of the modern era.

But you know, it's not like I go on and on about it.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#26 - 2016-03-09 18:27:14 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Satja Askariin wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Indira Harashani wrote:
As sick as it makes me to post in one of this heretic's many threads, this ongoing nonsense of people not knowing the difference between Vitoxin, the infection agent, and Vitoc, the antidote, continues to make me question the supposed intellect of my so-called peers.


Har har har. You are selling us too highly.

Then again, the white-coats in the Republic who are trying to manufacture their own Insorum are also having difficulty using the correct term to refer to the virus and its toxin. We who aren't working on the damn thing will be even more likely to make that darnable mistake.


This probably doesn't need to be said at this point but... next time you see one of those scientists you really should make sure they're researching the cure to the right thing.


*If* I see them that is.

Due to the nature of their jobs, it is incredibly difficult to actually get ahold of any of these scientists. Security risks and all that.


So, I've literally lost count of how many doctorates I have, how many different fields of science I've been thoroughly educated in, and for that matter the sheer amount of engineering I've mastered. I've actually gone ahead and made myself capable of manufacturing Titans and pretty much everything else a capsuleer could ever conceivably use or fly, because I've run out of other things to learn that isn't "shoot guns". All of this in addition to my work on augmentation, implants, bio-engineering, Sansha infestation and more.

I'm not saying I should be handed Insorum Components and given free reign to do the research since there is pretty much nothing in my history that says I can be trusted with it, or that I wouldn't just take it all to SuuVe when I'm done. What I am saying is that I'm hardly unique among us spacers. While the grand majority of us do seem to be more in tune with some arcane forebear carrying clubs and communicating by grunts, there's a few of us out here with a whole lot of money, resources, facilities and enough education and brainpower to be of a whole lot of help when it comes to Insorum research and development.

Some of the most brilliant scientists I know are Tribe affiliated capsuleers. Why aren't they drooling at the thought of having Insorum Components and the ability to do their own research on it? For that matter, why isn't the Republic seeking the help of these capsuleers? With the right research, there's a potential for large scale production of something that'd render Vitoxin useless, or at worst still easier to handle than TCMCs which can be handled with quite consistent levels of success.

I guess what I'm asking is, why isn't this a huge priority for both capsuleers and landlocked opponents of slavery?

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#27 - 2016-03-09 19:13:19 UTC
and I thought that objectionable Valate woman was full of herself.

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#28 - 2016-03-09 19:16:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Jinari Otsito wrote:

Some of the most brilliant scientists I know are Tribe affiliated capsuleers. Why aren't they drooling at the thought of having Insorum Components and the ability to do their own research on it? For that matter, why isn't the Republic seeking the help of these capsuleers? With the right research, there's a potential for large scale production of something that'd render Vitoxin useless, or at worst still easier to handle than TCMCs which can be handled with quite consistent levels of success.

I guess what I'm asking is, why isn't this a huge priority for both capsuleers and landlocked opponents of slavery?

How many matari capsuleers received their tribal sponsorship upon graduating and never looked back at their tribe? How many Amarr capsuleers ignore their own scriptures for their own greed or motives? Gallante's selling slaves on the open market in Dodixie? Why WOULD they trust us with such things that effect our own when many couldn't be bothered? In the end even some of those opponents of slavery would jettison containers with liberated slaves into space to avoid a 5k isk fine and security status drop. Having us work on this wouldn't be the best of ideas. We're in our own little cluster, alot of us atleast.......
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#29 - 2016-03-09 19:37:46 UTC
I'd say Project Discovery and the initial success of it proves you wrong. At least for now, we'll see how it goes over time.

More importantly, we don't need "them" to trust us with anything. We already have what we need, except for capsuleers willing to work on it. I know someone who's mentioned on these very boards that Insorum Components are gathering dust in a secure location because no Tribe or Republic affiliated capsuleer scientists are willing to take on such a project.

My loyalties are primarily to the State and my parent corporation of course, so I can't blame her for not trusting me with it. I'm just surprised no one else have come forth with a suitable project proposal in that vein. The necessary components are there, everything else surrounding it can be procured.

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and I thought that objectionable Valate woman was full of herself.


Can I interest you in this informative leaflet about the Turbo Encabulator?

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2016-03-09 20:31:59 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I'd say Project Discovery and the initial success of it proves you wrong. At least for now, we'll see how it goes over time.

More importantly, we don't need "them" to trust us with anything. We already have what we need, except for capsuleers willing to work on it. I know someone who's mentioned on these very boards that Insorum Components are gathering dust in a secure location because no Tribe or Republic affiliated capsuleer scientists are willing to take on such a project.

My loyalties are primarily to the State and my parent corporation of course, so I can't blame her for not trusting me with it. I'm just surprised no one else have come forth with a suitable project proposal in that vein. The necessary components are there, everything else surrounding it can be procured.



How does the Sisters of Eve, a multi racial organization's willingness to trust us prove that the Minmatar Republic, a government entity should trust us? After all its pretty obvious a government entity comprised of a single race has more at stake trusting us than an organization who can pull from anyone. As far as needing "them" to trust us, data on your neocom is a little different than distributing a physical object to be used in study. I don't see why any of us should be trusted for the most part. Sure there's plenty who could and do a lot of good with the research. Theres also many who could and would do bad. Letting such research fall into the hands of someone like Nauplius would be even worse. Looking at how we as capsuleers conduct ourselves my isk would be on the latter two being the sure bet. Feel free to call me pessimistic.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#31 - 2016-03-09 21:04:05 UTC
Again, we already have the Insorum Components. Well, one of my favorite customers do, locked away somewhere. The proposal was made years ago, looking for scientists and sufficient combat forces to protect such a project. Before my time, in fact. Years have passed without any interest from capsuleer scientists outside the pirate or Empire borders to engage in independent research conducted and safeguarded by capsuleers.

Frankly, the Republic government could only do one of two things. Ignore it or support it. They wouldn't have a say in whether or not such a project was initiated, as the Insorum Components are already in a capsuleer's hands.

It is the lack of interest in such a project that stuns me. I would have thrown myself at such a challenge, sloshing to the brim with every stimulant I could manufacture, with incredible glee. If only my loyalties to my parent corporation and State didn't stand in the way of it.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2016-03-09 21:13:26 UTC
Sorry, I must have missed the first time you mentioned about having the components. Ya, it is sad since the materials are out there that there isn't any motion towards advancing research.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#33 - 2016-03-09 22:10:43 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
I am the greatest ... Sani Sabik capsuleer philosopher of the modern era.


Of this and any era, darling!

Amarr chooses her leaders by tossing pew pew when you are the obvious choice. That is why the empire must be destroyed, its people cast into darkness, its planets burned, and its stations hurled from orbit. The Drifters clearly have your back, sweetie.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#34 - 2016-03-10 01:28:49 UTC
Wicked and vile forces from SFRIM and Providence-Bloc have discovered and re-enforced this holy tower. It exits re-enforcement on 2016.03.11 on 18:05 or so.

All who defend my Vitoc Stuffing Tower will be granted certain admission to Paradise at the Judgement.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-03-10 01:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Jinari Otsito, you seem to forget that there's plenty of people out there, most of all the ones just opposite the Ammatar Mandate border zone, who will love to see the Insorum research destroyed. Due to the stake the Republic has on Insorum manufacturing and what it means to the Amarr's ability to hold and control slaves, the matter of Insorum is rightfully elevated from a mere scientific curiosity to a *state secret*. If nobody is going to approach us to talk about whatever it was their secret services are doing, do you expect them to come forward to us to discuss how far along the Insorum research there are in now?

Like it or not, we independent capsuleers, including the so-called loyalists, are relegated under the category of 'freelancers', 'mercenaries' and 'irregular assets' at best. Who in their right mind will share state secrets with us? The most we are going to get are 'need-to-know' information to help us do their bidding and get paid by the end of the assignment.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2016-03-10 01:56:03 UTC
Nauplius wrote:

All who defend my Vitoc Stuffing Tower will be granted certain admission to Paradise at the Judgement.


Does that include Matari? Not offering, just curious.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#37 - 2016-03-10 12:30:36 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nauplius wrote:

All who defend my Vitoc Stuffing Tower will be granted certain admission to Paradise at the Judgement.


Does that include Matari? Not offering, just curious.


Yes. Even Minmatar. This is one of those precious few opportunities for salvation a holy and righteous God offers even unto a filthy and undeserving Minmatar race.

(Of course, no Minmatar will be permitted entry into Paradise, and so I suspect that God will perform some sort of transformation in this life or the next for all ex-Minmatar who gain salvation through this vehicle.)
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2016-03-10 16:56:10 UTC
Well, atleast your little God respects those who help..... I think?
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2016-03-10 17:12:34 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Wicked and vile forces from SFRIM and Providence-Bloc have discovered and re-enforced this holy tower. It exits re-enforcement on 2016.03.11 on 18:05 or so.

All who defend my Vitoc Stuffing Tower will be granted certain admission to Paradise at the Judgement.




I already live in Heaven.

You need protection? 100 Million ISK per day, per pilot, plus recoup on any any ship losses. Half pilot fees up front, non-refundable and the costs double if you require any T3 tech or anything bigger than a battleship. Marines, slavers, slave hounds or those fancy exotic dancers you like are extra.Boosters are extra.

It's a dangerous Galaxy. Towers get blown up for the strangest reasons. If you're following the commands of God, then something as mundane as ISK should not be a problem.

Remember your Scripture. When God wanted something done right, he'd send an Angel.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#40 - 2016-03-10 17:28:33 UTC
I am pleased to see the CVA taking a leading role in this. It is good to see them taking an interest in matters of moral turpitude.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu