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Wog Cyllen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2011-12-29 12:45:06 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:


so basically : we are wrong cause we dont share your view and you are pro/right cause you are you
and liang is good too cause he defends your favourite race .... we get it



You are wrong because after 1000 posts about this you failed to make even one constructive point, show even the faintest sign of intelligence and seem to be completely impermeable to logic and common sense.

Plainly put, you are a monument of stupidity.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#282 - 2011-12-29 13:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Sebastian N Cain
Liang Nuren wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:

They have basically no distinctive features aside from the fact that they are the only ones having no advantageous features regarding basic design


You keep saying that, but you're totally wrong. In fact, the statement is so laughable that I'm beginning to wonder if you even play Eve? Consider Gallente vs Minmatar, Gallente vs Amarr, and Gallente vs Caldari. What you should come away with is that Gallente ships come with much higher DPS, better application of that DPS at close range, "medium" tanks (whether shield or armor), second best mobility, and the best drone bay (for utility or DPS - your choice).

Pretty much your prototypical MDPS adjusted for Eve's mechanics.

-Liang


Aha, slowly and surely i begin too see that we think we are talking about the same thing but we actually don´t..... maybe my explanations weren´t really that understandable giving the limitations of the medium we use.

What i am talking about is not how much damage Blasters do or how much tank Gallente has, their fighting strength, or however you want to call it (and what you are apparently talking about), but how widespread the tactics can be used and still be viable. What i am talking about are all the features that would make Blasterboats useful and competitive in any kind of situation from solo to fleet you might encounter (well, of course any situation where you would use any short-range turret, not situations you would use long-range turrets or other weapons).
And such distinctive features are simply not there.

The others obviously can be used anywhere in any situation (again with the qualifier i already mentioned above), so they are designed for their role, Gallente blasterboats can only be used in specific situations and/or with special preparations, so they aren´t designed for their roles. And no reasonable amount of dps or tank or whatever will change that part, you have to go for changes in the basic design for it
(and my proposal for Minmatar was just because the basic design fits pretty good and only tweaking the stats would be required, much easier to do than making Gallente work everywhere... if everyone really insists and the devs don´t mind the extra work and difficulties... well just wanted to make it easy for you, i don´t mind if you want to go optimizing Gallente for close combat instead but don´t screw up because you just had to do it the hard way).

And if you are saying it´s fine this way, here i strongly disagree. No other race is limitated to specific situations and/or preparations, so this is clearly not intended (well, if you want to go the other way and put such restrictions on all races and weapons, i would be fine with that as well, but be prepared to get deaf from all the hate screaming;).

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#283 - 2011-12-29 13:11:57 UTC
Wog Cyllen wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:


so basically : we are wrong cause we dont share your view and you are pro/right cause you are you
and liang is good too cause he defends your favourite race .... we get it



You are wrong because after 1000 posts about this you failed to make even one constructive point, show even the faintest sign of intelligence and seem to be completely impermeable to logic and common sense.

Plainly put, you are a monument of stupidity.

:) hi , so where is yours so much CONSTRUCTIVE points , or you mean liangs ? where most of those were proven wrong
Wog Cyllen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#284 - 2011-12-29 13:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Wog Cyllen
Naomi Knight wrote:
Wog Cyllen wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:


so basically : we are wrong cause we dont share your view and you are pro/right cause you are you
and liang is good too cause he defends your favourite race .... we get it



You are wrong because after 1000 posts about this you failed to make even one constructive point, show even the faintest sign of intelligence and seem to be completely impermeable to logic and common sense.

Plainly put, you are a monument of stupidity.

:) hi , so where is yours so much CONSTRUCTIVE points , or you mean liangs ? where most of those were proven wrong


The difference between us is that I don't really try to make any point. You try and fail miserably at it. I'm just pointing out total idiots in this thread hoping (in vain, I know) that they realize their idiocy, step back and let people who actually have a clue and can argue to have a decent discussion. Until then, kinda pointless to even try having a serious argument here, people like you will cover it with worthless ****.

But I've yet to see a total idiot actually realizing how ignorant and idiotic he is, so I don't get my hopes up.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2011-12-29 13:28:24 UTC
Wog Cyllen wrote:


But I've yet to see a total idiot actually realizing how ignorant and idiotic he is, so I don't get my hopes up.

maybe you should start with yourself then, just to let you know it is you who you are talking about^^
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#286 - 2011-12-29 14:21:35 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
m0cking bird wrote:
Fade Azura wrote:
dont see how you think you can win on a ship which can dictate range and project more dps at that range ... at best you could only make me warp off which isnt going to happen. and only way you will survive is by fitting a active repper and rails which would not be applicable in real pvp scenario's

and hence the problem with gallente is obvious ... blaster dont project dmg far enough and they cant get into range good enough


Faction warp scrambler and re-con like bonuses... Also, the Proteus is much faster and has better agility depending on the set-up even with armour plates and armour rigs (depends on your Drakes set-up as well). More importantly. The Proteus defences can be 300 times that of the Drake and can overheat for an obscene amount of time.

You literally have proven that your post are not worth reading @ all. If Liang cont. to waste time responding to you. He has more patience than I do. However, I do disagree with alot of the points Liang has made, but it's not so important that I feel I have to refute them. Alot of it is just semantics. He is skewing comparisons and ignoring other factors. That I'm sure he's aware of. He has a clear bias and is enjoying flying hybrid ships of late and enjoying making arguments with his current bias in mind.

It can only hurt him as a pilot if he truly believes it and ignores other factors. If he knows it and is just saying it to say things like I do. What does it matter? You just need to figure out what makes sense to you and stop being trolled...


-proxyyyy


Heh, well yes. I am aware of what points I'm leaving out - and to a point some of its lying by omission. I've been called out on a couple of the things, but the thing about it is that most of the people in this thread are nothing *BUT* EFT warriors with no real PVP experience. It really really shows too.

Yes, blasters aren't perfect and they'll never be fleet weapons, but they're waaaay better than they were. The ships are easier to fit which tends to give me more tank, the speed changes make it *WAY* easier to bring blasters to bear, and the tracking changes make it largely practical to use Void. The 5 second reload time really takes the sting out of the Null -> Void transition too.

I remain totally unsold on nerfing TEs (probably the biggest thing I *REALLY* disagree with you on) primarily because I shield tank so many of my blaster ships - and in absolute terms they make a much bigger difference for blaster damage application than projectile! But, I'm really looking forward to the follow on tweaks that Tallest has promised - some of them are quite desperately needed.

I just hope he doesn't only look at blaster ships because there's crippled ships from all races that really need help.

-Liang


so you admit your a liar because you want ccp to do what you want instead of what the majority want .... pathetic ... cant prove any of your sorry non factual points ... even make a pathetic blog with terrible comparisons lol

lol and for someone that calls someone else out and never logs in and stays docked 24/7 because they are a complete coward. pretty sure your hiding in amamake and dont ever undock unless its with your friends or else you get raped like you always do ... i came down to amamake and sat there for an hour and you never ******* logged in COWARD! and waste of my time

you are a ******* noob liang haha and i really hope you can bring a better proteus then this piece of garbage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12001766

i mean seriously? i can 1 shot that junk with a tornado ... haha complete crap ... anyone that knows anything knows you are a forum e-tard ... and really u are ... and now all your trash talk has got you in trouble ... ill be keeping an eye out for you sweetness .. better hope you stay hidden in that station in amamake 24/7 and not leave unless you got a fleet of your stupid forum friends who are probably equally as pathetic.

what have we learned here?

Liang is a liar by admission .... calls people out in the forums then fails to log on and back it up(pussy)
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#287 - 2011-12-29 14:30:04 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
Fade Azura wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Fade Azura wrote:

ohh you know i didnt know i was supposed to shield tank my proteus? damn why didnt someone tell me that? and why did ccp give me all these armor subsystems? i am so confused .... Roll


Its funny that you'd complain about the Proteus given that its actually a fantastically working blaster ship. Expensive, yes... but works great. :)

-Liang


you know i didnt think it was that good since if i use the standard armor buffer pvp fit and fought it with my alt with only 10 million skillpoints they can use a cheap ass nano drake and hit orbit at 20km and point and missiles and it loses terribly cause i cant even hit him with null and have no chance of catching it.

ohh wait lemme guess i should have used a shield fit with rails and an active tank? lol please stop liang you are going to lose alot of respect on these forums with these terrible arguments that people are easily disproving especially when your so easily contradicted.

just stop lol


Most non fail fit Proteus can scram at 22km so that would mess up your drake heavily

Ok in my drunkeness I meant to say 20km, stupid drunk posting



OHH DAMN! what ever will i do? maybe set my orbit to 26km and overheat my point? rofl gtfo tard noone cares about your opinion
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#288 - 2011-12-29 14:35:45 UTC
Wog Cyllen wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:
Wog Cyllen wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:


so basically : we are wrong cause we dont share your view and you are pro/right cause you are you
and liang is good too cause he defends your favourite race .... we get it



You are wrong because after 1000 posts about this you failed to make even one constructive point, show even the faintest sign of intelligence and seem to be completely impermeable to logic and common sense.

Plainly put, you are a monument of stupidity.

:) hi , so where is yours so much CONSTRUCTIVE points , or you mean liangs ? where most of those were proven wrong


The difference between us is that I don't really try to make any point. You try and fail miserably at it. I'm just pointing out total idiots in this thread hoping (in vain, I know) that they realize their idiocy, step back and let people who actually have a clue and can argue to have a decent discussion. Until then, kinda pointless to even try having a serious argument here, people like you will cover it with worthless ****.

But I've yet to see a total idiot actually realizing how ignorant and idiotic he is, so I don't get my hopes up.


wow this guy is an idiot and probably an alt of liang's lol
Monica Sharezan
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#289 - 2011-12-29 14:39:16 UTC
ive seen fade fight he is pretty damn good. 100% sure Liang would get a headshot and die in a fire =/ sorry liang. everything he said was right ... and everything you are saying is wrong.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2011-12-29 14:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Knight
would be nice to see that drake vs proteus 1v1 ,thou it will never happen :(
even i would bet on proteus as the winner :P but who knows maybe we would learn something if drake wins
it is after all an expensive t3 cruiser(hopefully produced by me:P) vs a cheap stock tier 2 bc

liang if you manage to loose it i give you a discount to replace it cheap
Monica Sharezan
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#291 - 2011-12-29 14:47:06 UTC
well i went with fade as a neutral witness right after she challenged him to amamake and he called her out in local ... even though there was a few heretic army there they did not respond and she failed to log on at all ... guess we will never know
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#292 - 2011-12-29 15:54:26 UTC
Confirming my last Proteus could kill at least one drake from those 6 drakes 1 cyna 1 rapier 1 Ares 1 Dictor attacking meh !!!

1vs1 at gates your drake will just die, but 1v1 in my Eve? - hahaha
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#293 - 2011-12-29 15:59:44 UTC
Fade Azura wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
Fade Azura wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Fade Azura wrote:

ohh you know i didnt know i was supposed to shield tank my proteus? damn why didnt someone tell me that? and why did ccp give me all these armor subsystems? i am so confused .... Roll


Its funny that you'd complain about the Proteus given that its actually a fantastically working blaster ship. Expensive, yes... but works great. :)

-Liang


you know i didnt think it was that good since if i use the standard armor buffer pvp fit and fought it with my alt with only 10 million skillpoints they can use a cheap ass nano drake and hit orbit at 20km and point and missiles and it loses terribly cause i cant even hit him with null and have no chance of catching it.

ohh wait lemme guess i should have used a shield fit with rails and an active tank? lol please stop liang you are going to lose alot of respect on these forums with these terrible arguments that people are easily disproving especially when your so easily contradicted.

just stop lol


Most non fail fit Proteus can scram at 22km so that would mess up your drake heavily

Ok in my drunkeness I meant to say 20km, stupid drunk posting



OHH DAMN! what ever will i do? maybe set my orbit to 26km and overheat my point? rofl gtfo tard noone cares about your opinion


Pity when you set your orbit for 20 with the proteus approaching you that you will end up in his scram range before being able to adjust....and even if you do adjust will have to keep range on something thats faster than you and has a long scram will be difficult.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#294 - 2011-12-29 16:09:28 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:

What i am talking about is not how much damage Blasters do or how much tank Gallente has, their fighting strength, or however you want to call it (and what you are apparently talking about), but how widespread the tactics can be used and still be viable. What i am talking about are all the features that would make Blasterboats useful and competitive in any kind of situation from solo to fleet you might encounter (well, of course any situation where you would use any short-range turret, not situations you would use long-range turrets or other weapons).
And such distinctive features are simply not there.

The others obviously can be used anywhere in any situation (again with the qualifier i already mentioned above), so they are designed for their role, Gallente blasterboats can only be used in specific situations and/or with special preparations, so they aren´t designed for their roles. And no reasonable amount of dps or tank or whatever will change that part, you have to go for changes in the basic design for it
(and my proposal for Minmatar was just because the basic design fits pretty good and only tweaking the stats would be required, much easier to do than making Gallente work everywhere... if everyone really insists and the devs don´t mind the extra work and difficulties... well just wanted to make it easy for you, i don´t mind if you want to go optimizing Gallente for close combat instead but don´t screw up because you just had to do it the hard way).

And if you are saying it´s fine this way, here i strongly disagree. No other race is limitated to specific situations and/or preparations, so this is clearly not intended (well, if you want to go the other way and put such restrictions on all races and weapons, i would be fine with that as well, but be prepared to get deaf from all the hate screaming;).


idk why you are obsessed on making blasterboats viable in every situation

No ships or weapon systems are perfect in every situation.

Blaster frigates are awesome, drone boats are awesome, caps are awesome. We don't have a kiting nano BC (except the Talos) or a 0.0 large fleet BS, but if it's somehow a balance issue not to have ships to those niches, then it's rails and T2 ammos that need to be looked at, and not blasters.

.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#295 - 2011-12-29 16:55:06 UTC
Roime wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:

What i am talking about is not how much damage Blasters do or how much tank Gallente has, their fighting strength, or however you want to call it (and what you are apparently talking about), but how widespread the tactics can be used and still be viable. What i am talking about are all the features that would make Blasterboats useful and competitive in any kind of situation from solo to fleet you might encounter (well, of course any situation where you would use any short-range turret, not situations you would use long-range turrets or other weapons).
And such distinctive features are simply not there.

The others obviously can be used anywhere in any situation (again with the qualifier i already mentioned above), so they are designed for their role, Gallente blasterboats can only be used in specific situations and/or with special preparations, so they aren´t designed for their roles. And no reasonable amount of dps or tank or whatever will change that part, you have to go for changes in the basic design for it
(and my proposal for Minmatar was just because the basic design fits pretty good and only tweaking the stats would be required, much easier to do than making Gallente work everywhere... if everyone really insists and the devs don´t mind the extra work and difficulties... well just wanted to make it easy for you, i don´t mind if you want to go optimizing Gallente for close combat instead but don´t screw up because you just had to do it the hard way).

And if you are saying it´s fine this way, here i strongly disagree. No other race is limitated to specific situations and/or preparations, so this is clearly not intended (well, if you want to go the other way and put such restrictions on all races and weapons, i would be fine with that as well, but be prepared to get deaf from all the hate screaming;).


idk why you are obsessed on making blasterboats viable in every situation

No ships or weapon systems are perfect in every situation.

Blaster frigates are awesome, drone boats are awesome, caps are awesome. We don't have a kiting nano BC (except the Talos) or a 0.0 large fleet BS, but if it's somehow a balance issue not to have ships to those niches, then it's rails and T2 ammos that need to be looked at, and not blasters.



Actually with recent blaster changes and without any other important change I'd like to see what a full fleet of Brutix could do vs full fleet of welp canes, for the sake os some numbers let's say 150 vs 150 and with 2 decent FC's witch is rare out there except some from Goons (you can't figure how hard it is to me to say this) Ewoks, for those I liked their tactics.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#296 - 2011-12-29 17:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Fade Azura wrote:

so you admit your a liar because you want ccp to do what you want instead of what the majority want .... pathetic ... cant prove any of your sorry non factual points ... even make a pathetic blog with terrible comparisons lol

Liang is a liar by admission .... calls people out in the forums then fails to log on and back it up(*****)


What points am I omitting? Oh that's right - you don't know, and nor do you know how salient they are. You're having to accept the word of people that actually PVP because you don't have the experience to know the truth yourself. But I promise - the truth is much closer to what I'm saying than to the total nonsense you say.

Quote:

lol and for someone that calls someone else out and never logs in and stays docked 24/7 because they are a complete coward. pretty sure your hiding in amamake and dont ever undock unless its with your friends or else you get raped like you always do ... i came down to amamake and sat there for an hour and you never ******* logged in COWARD! and waste of my time


Ok, lets see... just considering last night:

2v2, Harpy + Taranis vs Jaguar, Jaguar
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61476
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61477

2v4, Brutix, Tornado vs Talos, Manticore, Megathron, [Rifter, pretty sure]
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61481
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61482

I managed not to make it onto either of those mails - but I was there. I was busy trying to nail the mega and rifter, and then wasn't quite fast enough to overtake the Talos so I never got on that mail. :(

2v3, Harpy, Merlin vs Dramiel, Rifter, Thrasher
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61488
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61487

2v1, Harpy, Taranis vs Myrmidon. I'm probably going to blog about this one because we ran the myrm all the way out of cap boosters and had him in structure before the cynabal warped in. I even have fraps of this fight.
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61484

So how many kills did you get last night?

Quote:
you are a ******* noob liang haha and i really hope you can bring a better proteus then this piece of garbage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12001766


That's actually a really good roaming solo PVP fit - the problem is that I used it in a gang when I shouldn't have. You can read about it here: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-1U

But no, I would bring a non-cloaky Proteus to take you down.

Quote:

i mean seriously? i can 1 shot that junk with a tornado ... haha complete crap ... anyone that knows anything knows you are a forum e-tard ... and really u are ... and now all your trash talk has got you in trouble ... ill be keeping an eye out for you sweetness .. better hope you stay hidden in that station in amamake 24/7 and not leave unless you got a fleet of your stupid forum friends who are probably equally as pathetic.

what have we learned here?


That you're afraid to come to low sec? You're in Amarr - its only 7-8 jumps from Amamake... and I'll be online again tonight, just for you sweetcakes.

-Liang

Ed: Oh, how much ISK are you willing to put on the line in betting that orbit at 20 nano drake is gonna beat my Proteus? :)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
m0cking bird
Doomheim
#297 - 2011-12-29 18:44:16 UTC
This has become a 220 Chinese drama.

Anyway! The changes to rail-gun was very significant. I honestly believe the Talos is better than the Naga. @least, sub 40,000m engagement. The tracking even with rail-gun is insane. Even against ships that abuse tracking (after-burning cruiser). Something a rail-gun-Naga or artillery-Tornado could not track. I've also recently engaged a fleet with rail-gun-Brutix. I couldn't even get 60,000m without taking enormous damage (shield-Hurricane COUNTERED (exploded 2 frigates though)).

Railgun-Thorax, Megathron, Astarte, Taranis, Ishkur, Catalyst, Tristan, Eris, Federation Navy Comet, Exequror Navy Issue and Deimos. All are viable in fleets. Hybrid problem solved. Artillery and Beam lasers may still be superior, but rail-gun is viable.


-proxyyyy
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#298 - 2011-12-30 01:38:49 UTC
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14903768

Somehow railcursus kills Rifter. Clearly you all need to LRN 2 FLY GAL BOTES.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2011-12-30 03:56:06 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Julius Foederatus wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=578367#post578367


Most of those things come for free when you consider everyone shield tanks everything. Its really got a knock-on effect, because shield tanking makes you faster and typically leaves room open for TEs. I think you REALLY underestimate the effect that TEs have with Null - both in terms of damage superiority at range and to what it does to your band of absolute damage superiority with close range ammo.

You seem to have this core bias against shield tanking your blaster ships, and you seem to think that structure HP doesn't count. There's no good reason for that, and you should stop it - at least until CCP Tallest actually gets around to doing something about armor rigs sucking your speed away.

The funny thing about it is that people love to point out the Hurricane as evidence that projectiles are better than blasters, but they seem to forget that there simply isn't a Tier 2 blaster BC. The best we have is the Brutix - it has absolute damage superiority out to about 13-15km, better tracking, more EHP, and is ~100 m/s slower than a Cane.

For a more apples to apples comparison, you can take a look at the shield gank hype vs Tempest. You should see the Hype be actually quite fast and have damage superiority out to ~33km (even ignoring drones). It trades utility (neuts) for utility (drones) and has the same tank even assuming you play it safe with a cap booster. And that's before we get into the truly massive damage superiority has up close.

Is the situation perfect? No - but its a hell of a lot better than most of the whiners are making it out to be.

-Liang


I armor tank because shield tanking is for fags.

In all seriousness, I don't like shield tanking because it makes you totally inflexible in your play style. You have one function, to apply dps in the most direct way possible (which a lot of the time isn't possible due to speed issues). The armor version tanks harder and has far more utility. You can use the web to make up for the lack of TEs, as well as allowing you dictate range within your optimal, plus you have extra slots for TDs or any other kind of EWAR you want to use for gang or solo. Plus I got slaves, so now it would just be a waste to fly shield boats.

We don't have to use the cane, the Cyclone outclasses the Brutix as well. It tanks harder, and has ample utility to fit neuts or Hams for extra dps. And I'm sure that TEs do give blasters an extra boost compared to an armor tanked version, but they don't make up for a weak tank, and no EWAR on a Brutix hull. It's all well and good to compare the Tempest to the Hype, but it's a little bit weak of an argument when you just brought up the tier system for the cane vs. Brutix. Compare a shield hype with its tier3 counter parts and it is awkward at best. It doesn't have the dps projection of a baddon or a Mael or a Rokh, and it doesn't tank as hard as any of them. A shield fit is a bad compromise for Gall boats to be able to fly in nano gangs, and they barely keep up in those situations.

Gall ships are not designed to shield tank. People hold up the myrm and hype because they have barely enough slots to fit a decent tank, but their shield versions really don't compare well to the armor versions (except maybe the hype cause it only has 1 more low than high and the fitting on it is still god awful). Even when you shield tank a hype, it still barely compares to a Maelstrom or a Rokh, and it's the first thing to be called primary in a shield fleet because of its lack of tank. Shield tanking anything else just results in lolz on a killmail. The only reason people fly these fits is they're slightly faster and have slightly better range, but they still come up short to their racial counter parts who tank harder and hit farther.

Really the hype is a separate issue cause it's such an ugly duckling when it comes to both available fitting and slot layout. I'm starting to ramble, so the last thing I'll say is that I just want to be able to pilot Gall boats as they were designed to be piloted. I want to be able to armor tank my blaster ship, and actually be able to apply my dps without having to hope my teammate can get a tackle or I get really lucky. If CCP can do that, then I'll be a happy ******* camper.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#300 - 2011-12-30 04:10:00 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
naomi Knight's RPing crapitartude aside, where is this bullschnitzel about web drones coming from? Have any of you ever used web drones in combat? It goes like this;
Launch web drone.
Web drone toddles toward target...and webs to target.
Web drone then slows down when it enters orbit of its slowed-down target, presenting a giant "shoot me"
Enemy shoots at the slow web drone which has very little transversal
Web drone is dead
You go buy a new ship, because your gambit was bullschnitzel weaksauce and you are down a flight of Warrior II's in DPS or Hornet EC's for LOLECM.

if you use 5 web drones its even more stupid because of the stacking nerf rendering 4 of them basically useless and the first one being useless anyway.

Web drones are not going to help Gallente blaster boats out-DPS anything. They are, even now, completely freaking useless versus the ships they should be useful against - namely the Minmatar and Angel pirate faction ships...which just outfly them and can shoot them down with impunity with their guns.



thank you for proving my point.. narrowminded Idealogy has corrupted a signficant portion of the EVE playerbase. Completely assuming that one always has to launch a full set of a particular drone only, and carry a full set as well 23/7. Assuming the whole point of a web drone is to apply full tackle for the entire duration of fight. Not taking the slightest moment to stop, and think about what I was actually saying in how to use ONE.

I'll make it simple.. rather, try to make it simpler. Bring one.. One. Still leaves plenty of bay space in most b-boats to bring full flights of lights and/or mediums. Launch with 4 other whatever.. Manually, yes not keep at range or orbit or align or approach target, manually pilot yourself depending on kiter's movements to force him into the web drone. Flip ship n burn OH prop at the slowed down target, apply full tackle and melt.

Some of you.. quit acting you like need to cover 20km-24km range against kiter.. no, a scram/web boat only needs to cover half that, not even depending on circumstances. Do.. keep that in mind. Sorry eft and terrible mental logic fails that very key point. I'm amazed how many fail at bringing that up.. and how many use the '24km distance to cover' as some sort of good valid arguement.

If they want to waste time focused on lone drone instead of you, more ehp for you, enemy pilot more likely to make maneuvering error in your favor while doing so as well.

Pushing variables in your favor against the multitude of battle scenarios you'll come across is always a good thing. Doing the same thing over and over that doesn't work, and saying it SHOULD work.. is being a narrowminded idiot too stupid to think for oneself. And you folk fitting that mold, deserve having your ships popped and granted nothing to help you improve without changing yourselves first.

Again.. Easy Mode doesn't = Victory. It's Win comes at the cost of killing mindless drones, while being one too.

PS I agree on rig adjustments being needed. But hybrids.. are much nicer now and good. did ya folks know? A rail has more dps than a comparable sized arty? I'm not talking about projection, which is obvious.. more dps Period as well. The more you know. Not everyone can.. or should be alpha. Want something.. train for it, don't demand it handed to you.

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