EVE General Discussion

For the record, a t1 frigate is not good enough.

Though it comes down to chance at that point, Interceptors and Cloakies can and will be caught by highsec Warcampers.

Ultimately, if you live anywhere except Nullsec, a wardec means you either do nothing for a week (staying docked) or do nothing for a week (keeping the wardeccers docked).

Unless you have alts outside your corp/alliance who aren't subject to a Wardec.

And it is. Unless you know a good way to put together a gang and roam around fighting everything you see in highsec.



Another one of these. Look, we understand. You don't grasp the lifestyle and think it's easy mode or risk averse because it's not how you do it. You don't get some of the core motivations behind it, yet you've decided that we all think a certain way.

And another one that thinks DScan can see inside a Citadel.

The more nerfs to highsec, the better.

Watchlist could tell me if a player I never even met in space or elsewhere if he is online. Why should I be granted that kind of intel without even needing to be ONCE in the same system as he was? Why was I able to run a script to create contact of every single member of a corp and WL them without having to do any work to collect any of that intel?

The fact that is was good and usefull does not mean it was not also broken and stupid at the same time. I could see it being defended if it had at least a medicum of requirement to use but it wasn't even that. You could WL anyone at will which granted you his status and he had no counter play at all beside not logging in that character but even that is only low counter play because he does not even know he is on a WL.

Two nights ago I flew my Stratios right into a five-man ambush. No boosters, no neutral reps, just me going face-first into a Rokh, a Maller, and a few destroyers. Your characterization of the people who do what I do is generalized and inaccurate. For every What Squad hanging off a hub with piles of logi behind them, there are a dozen guys like me who just enjoy the nuance of the hunt in highsec.

No, you don't.



I'm sorry you were terrible at it. Your bitterness is misdirected, it's not our fault.



This reinforces the fact that you know very little about what many of us do, and is probably why you were terrible at it.



You're either trolling, or thick as ****. Either way you aren't qualified to comment and have clearly been a victim at some point, an incident that you evidently haven't gotten over.

I used to be a merc and do Hisec wardecs, I was a hunter, almost never camped a hub or trade pipe. Specific target hunting (as in contracted targets) can be long and boring, yes. Removal of Watchlist just surmultiplied the dificulties of it. I'd say its pretty much dead as a playstyle.

As for the 'zero risk/95% unprepared' comment... We got hotdropped by a 35 super fleet last week, there was zero risk involved for the hot droppers, yeah.

Nulsec is much of the same most of the time - I was there too.

Pot, kettle, all black.

All playstyles are valid, all playstyles are relevant, not only your's and your opinion.

If that's true why are people who aren't hunting supers and just waging wars in highsec not liking the change?


1) A number of people already support this
2) Corp chat is the same as watchlist now. It's a mutual association that both the corp and it's members consent to with an obvious counter: Leave the corp.
3) So what else gives you intel on someone for nothing more than knowing their character name aside from info intended to be public and they can't opt out of?

No offense, but... no.

From Nulsec or Lowsec perspective I realize why removing watchlist is both good (Super pilots) or irelevant: You usually don't hunt THAT or THIS specific target, you hunt in enemy space and kill anything not blue, I get that. THAT is Nulsec/Lowsec/WH hunting, and it is good.

Hisec hunting doesn't work like this at all. You can't decide to go and hunt in their Sov or NPC region or Home System, for they usually don't have any. Hisec Corps and Alliances are usually scattered all over Empire. You don't a specific constellation or Region to scout out. You got dozens. You also don't have thousand members alliance in Hisec, with all teh intel network and the many, many scouts.

You are in Nul or Low, using the Starmap you get 'free' intel about where ratting happens, Industry Index where mining happens, you know their Capitals and Staging, hunting is much easier, in the roaming sense of the word. You can't do that in Hisec, just not possible, unless you mass wardec Corps and Alliances, and even then most of the roam's catches are going to be in Hubs and trade pipes.

I hunted targets in Hisec on and off for years between Nulsec (and now Lowsec) periods, using Watchlist and Locators. It is usually a long and protracted effort to get some kills. Once Online and Located, you realize that 90% of the players you are looking for are either in a cloaky, docked or our of your reach (deep in Nul or in a WH).

For a hunter of specific targets, Watchlist is, or was, an essential tool to at least know who is online before running a Locator and do 30 jumps with your scout.

Without Watchlist, you will now do 60 jumps and run at least 2 Locators: Thats your scout coming back after finding out the guy is actually Offline.

Then you rince and repeat 85 times on your Contracted targets, instead of doing it 10 times on actually Online targets.

CCP made the decision, and removed Watchlist, fine enough. It will save or kill a lot of Caps and Supers. However it also practically killed a playstyle.