EVE General Discussion

D-scan works really well if you're mining in a gated dead-space area too, set the distance and direction so that it covers the entrance gate, anybody that attempts to enter the dead space area has to come through the gate and thus shows on d-scan.

Cases like this are exactly why ccp removed watchlist and your whining is just distracting from real issues with its removal. Watchlist is not your only intel in that situation and there are plenty of ways for you to protect yourself. In other areas of the game (wormholes, wardecs) watchlist served a purpose which can't be replaced by other intel sources, and that is the real problem.

Try playing at the keyboard. If that's too boring, you might ask yourself why you are mining in the first place.

Not for Recon ships...

Exploits?

I am curious, name one

I can't believe CCP missed a Watchlist exploit for all these years, I want retroactive mass bans.

So on Twitter CCP said they were going to look at the watchlist issues over a month ago. Have they posted anything that I missed?

I find fun that some player has asked for the watchlist removal for years as it gave their targets/hunters free intel and now some different (I suppose) player cry because they have lost the same free intel.
You can't please everyone and all that stuff.

Knowing exactly when someone logs into, or out of, a persistent game setting like EVE is a pretty damn big deal. For example: https://www.themittani.com/news/pl-nabs-another-titan-lowsec

Good riddance to a bad mechanic.

Oh look, CCP made it easier to gank. So what else is new?

I see where you are coming from, when I wrote that I was thinking should I cover war decs against people who use newbs unfairly or people who people just do not like who do not have any skin in the game, I for one would prefer that it was possible but was mindful of getting rid of blanket war decs, but thinking of a mechanic around this would be rather difficult. Perhaps that could be dealt with via significant cost, for example the current rules apply for the corps or alliances with skin in the game as I detailed above, but make the cost of war decs for others that do not have this exposure cost 10 times more and put a limitation on how long they can stay under a war dec and then block any war decs for three weeks after that war dec. In return some adjustment to the avoidance, but you cannot get around simply just not logging in...

In terms of the watch list think we might see some war dec corps become more local and hunt a region or constellation perhaps, I can understand it becoming more difficult and more of a bind where its difficult to get a fight at least at this point, but I think as things start to change then you might get more corps that will stand up and fight. I can understand your issue here and how discouraging it is. I had hit after hit on my game play in Eve, the loss of the kiting Drake with missiles nerfs, then making interceptors a real threat to get on top of you, then cut my reprocessing value by 60%, then no D-scan on combat recons. My fun was belt ratting in systems with other players trying to kill me, was fun, but it got harder and harder, but I still do it for laughs, I adjusted, but I earn even less because now I have a scout following them around... I feel your pain, I hope you get through it. By the way I rather like your posts, because I get the impression you look at it from the other side too.

I do believe that the blanket war dec is an issue and the watch list change will increase that issue sadly even though removing the watch list is a big improvement in the game overall.

Sadly the blanket war dec thing is a result of the watchlist change to some degree. I'm not saying that everyone is doing it, they aren't... however, there are those who have turned to this because it's the only viable way to keep their members engaged now. Hunting isn't impossible, but it's become a great deal more difficult and often turns up nothing in return for the time and effort... so it's not surprising that folks are seeking a method that yields better results despite being less elegant in the manner of prosecution.

Adaptation takes many forms I guess.
I cast no moral judgements on those who opt for the path of lesser resistance, doing everything the hard way all the time is a special form of insanity that I've found myself guilty of in the past... but I cannot expect that out of others.

I do try to see things from both sides, at least when it comes to high sec. I have little experience in null and low and none to speak of in WH's, so I try not to chime in on things that pertain to them. I did spend a goodly 7-8 years as a bear in high sec though before learning the joys of playing hard with my fellow man. I mined for years, I ran missions for years, I was saved from quitting the game by Jam and the other Lords when they taught me a new way to have fun. It's not for everyone and I recognize that.

However, as a member of one of the merc groups that has made their name by actively hunting their targets - to the extent of being willing to fly 30 jumps just to pop a target, these current changes have crippled our way of life and done nothing other than encourage us to become just like so many other groups and simply camp the hubs and pipes. We don't want to do this. We hate doing this. We are trying to adapt as well without compromising who and what we are.