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Or you could not join Goons and join a null sec alliance that actually PvPs. Everyone says they have fleets, not everyone actually does. You need to look at the activity of the FCs and corps in the alliance. That's where you need to do your homework to get the right match. Also, one evening does not give any real indication of an alliances activity. A Monday evening in the AU timezone in my alliance will be slow but there will be two or three pings for fleets in the EU and US timezone.

Yeah. Many (not all, mind you) players in 0.0 powerblocs aren't looking for those as much as they are playing to win. You kind of need to do that in order to build something big for you to be part of and to have the big battles that give you the "I was there" vibe. "Good fights" aren't the big "I was there" types of battles. "Good fights" are the ones that don't matter, the ones nobody cares about later and the ones where it absolutely doesn't matter if "I was there" or not. "Good fights" are the ones you have for fun, not for an objective.

That being said - You can still get the good fights you are looking for in nullsec, but it really depends where you look for them. There are stretches of lowsec as well where nothing happens ever, and the only people who are there are either quadruple warp core stabbed while orbiting a beacon or will safe up as soon as anyone enters local, and if you've ever wardecced a random corp in highsec with your single low SP alt and watched it disband in front of your eyes, you'll know that risk aversion is pretty common, no matter where you go in Eve.

And does it really surprise you, that ratters or miners just minding their own business don't jump at your command when you are trying to **** with them? Of course they will dock up and do something else or hop into another clone and just continue ratting at the far end of the region.

I don't know how it works over at whichever blob you joined. We, however, have a variety of special interest groups within the alliance that specialize in some fields. If I feel like dropping bombers, I fly with a crowd that does that. If I feel like running anoms all day and get filthy rich, there's a group for that as well. In a coalition of several thousand people, you can't expect everyone to share your interests and undock whenever you feel like doing something. You'll have to figure out where the guys that do stuff you are interested in hang out and hook up with them.

And if flying with other people isn't your cup of tea, what the hell are you doing in a nullsec blob?

TL;DR: I don't know which nullsec blob you joined, and I am not convinced you joined one at all, but if what you are saying is actually true, you are probably doing it wrong.

Were you expecting the whole "EPIC FLEET BATTLES FIGHTING FOR WORLD DOMINATION", action-packed, Michael Bay-esque bullsh*t that the trailers fed you? Me, too. Disappointing, isn't it?


Being in several null-based corps, it's honestly just filled with a bunch of PvE-ers that are AFK most of the time or docked. Besides, the main power blocs are trying to bore each other to death. Since the last major battle of B-R5RB that took place more than two years ago, they've been stuck in an endless Cold War stalemate-type conflict.

Fozzie sov removed all incentive for people to actually commit resources to taking space. But the people out in null are most certainly not "a bunch of PvE-ers" - I saw far more skirmishing and small battles in null than I ever saw in low (but I flew with a great group and we stuck to densely populated areas). That, and large battles were very, very common back when I was out there. All they have to do is implement a half-decent sov system that requires real investment to take space (alongside reasons to do so besides moongoo) and they'll be back.

Your major mistake was joining a 0.0 alliance in the expectation that someone would then hold your hand and spoonfeed you content on-demand.

Yes, there's lot of tedium involved in 0.0 sov warfare, it has ever been thus.

Yes, you will sometimes fleet up and stare at a Titan for 45 minutes or more then get stood down.

It happens. Deal with it.

The FC in charge of that fleet was attempting to generate content and said content was less than amenable to playing along.

Your second mistake was failing to install a jump clone in your current alliance or coalition staging system. I rat and do my PI in an out of the way place (actually, I do this in a WH, but I used to do it in 0.0). When the jabber pings start coming thick and fast, dock up, jump clone to staging system, fleet up. When your done, death-clone back to your home-system and continue.

Instead of whinging that there's no content, how about you make an effort to create some? It can be as simple as setting up a bubble-camp in one of your 0.0-LowSec (or better yet, Highsec) border systems. I prefer doing this with a drag bubble on the outgate rather than a heavily bubbled in-gate.

Get a couple of alliance mates together and go on a roam to poke the neighbours.



Yes, 0.0 trade hubs are more expensive than the major HS ones. There's plenty of opportunities to exploit that fact, if you're prepared to put in some *effort*.

In any case, your alliance probably has a Jump Freighter service (or it should have), or some of your corpmates might own a jump freighter. Ask them, very nicely, to bring you back a stack of *whatever*. You may have to wait a few days, but you'll get your goods. For stuff you 100% must have RIGHT NOW, either pay the markup or jump in your trusty taxi-ceptor and head for HS to buy it yourself.



Did you think to tell these people you were expecting help from that you were in a bait-tanked ship? Could you tackle the aggressors yourself?

Personally, if one of my mates gets tackled in a site, I'll run off and grab a combat ship rather than warping in with a ratting VNI. When people go hunting for ratters, they tailor their ships to tank the damage the ratter will be doing and to exploit whatever the obvious resist hole is likely to be. For example, if I'm hunting ratters in Gurista space, I'll use EM or Explosive damage, not Kinetic or Thermal. Similarly, I'll expect to be taking either Kinetic or Thermal damage and will tailor my ship accordingly.

If you're going to play bait-tank ratter, it pays to tell your mates what you're up to before you achieve your goal of getting tackled in a site.

Don't worry now we are fighting a series of amazing interceptor-based (and t3 destroyer-based) fights

It's not a lack of balls as such, it's a whoring/fawning attitude towards killboard stats.

I used to fly with MoA, and don't get me wrong, they're great. Awesome FC's, hardworking members, etc, but we ran so much. If we couldn't be guaranteed of a win, we didn't fight, and this with my limited playtime meant i often logged in and sacrificed my gaming time for that evening without ever turning my guns on. I found myself in a position of thinking "better play some GTA V, that way i'll be guaranteed of some action". Once this thinking set in, it was time to move on.

There was this massive overarching sense that "the KB is all important, all hail the KB", which is great if you like playing spreadsheets in space, but if you actually want to play the game, it's not so good.


I think OP, that you just joined the wrong corp/alliance.

Do some homework, and find a casual group, not allied to many people who don't particularly care about stats, and you'll find that the fights come more easily.

Plenty of avenues still available for using larger ships, CFC has just traded all of these for security.

You joined a nullbear alliance.

If you follow the meta on eve news sites and read battle reports you will get a general idea of which alliance does what, when and how.

FYI all nullsec alliances will call themselves "PVP alliances" unless they are literally renters, even if they only do one PVP fleet a month. So it's a meaningless label until you learn what PVP they actually do.

You have pointers on how to properly research for proper pvp oriented force to join?

I really hate when I'm told "dock and wait in station". I don't pay sub to spin my ship.